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Jerry Sudimick
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Location: Connecticut

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I was told they are on a boat bound for the USA. Taiwan to California is 5900nm. At 15 knots, assuming no stops or slowing of any kind.....that journey takes 16-17 days. Then we have to add customs into the equation. The estimate of '3 weeks' seems pretty accurate to me. The boat left last week.

I hope to have mine towards the end of this month. Mine is in the same container as all the others that will be available.

Jerry
10-06-2006 Over year old.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I had my LHS place an order or rather a (backorder) for my 620 from ACE this week, time to gather servos, 611 and such.

Rick
10-08-2006 Over year old.
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KevinR
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Location: Vancouver, BC Canada

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I had my LHS place an order or rather a (backorder) for my 620 from ACE this week, time to gather servos, 611 and such.


Been there, done that.... about a month ago
10-08-2006 Over year old.
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XeroG
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Location: USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi Ben-T-Spindle

I just noticed your lack of satisfaction with our 600EP. I wanted to address your problems in the hope I can help you through some of them.


"The control system is very poor. I think a push-pull system would be much better. I could never get it setup where it would climb straight upright and inverted."

Even if you have a push pull system, the point of rotation is the same whether you are rotating from the servo or a bellcrank. For the sake of space and your patience, we wont go into whether PP is necessary, but I rather talk to you about getting your system set-up. Simply, set your servo arms at straight and level (90 deg) when you have the stick at 50% (0 deg pitch)and adjust the control links leading to the swashlate to make it level. Next move the throttle/pitch stick to 100% and then simply adjust the endpoint travel of each of the three servos to make the swash level again and then do the same with the stick in low position. This will make your machine track straight all through the pitch range. Sometimes pilots will have their swash timimg off a few degrees as well, which will compound the problem.


"The motor mounting system is mot very good. The gearbox gave a lot of problems after a few hundred flights."

You are the first, what kind of problems are you having, we have never had a failure yet? If you are getting 200 flights out of it with maybe a bearing failure, I would say you are lucky as I dont know of many glo engines that go that long without a liner or rear bearing!

"I converted to the new outrunner option but that puts the motor right in the middle of the battery compartment – very inconvenient."

I agree, the outrunner mounting is only an attempt to keep everyone satisfied with the option of versatility. The fact is that the high rpm motor with the transmission will ALWAYS give you more power per given weight as evidenced by the 2 IRCHA Open Drag racing titles won with the 600EP as well as the World Speed Record.


"The radio equipment is out in the open. A better design would be to put it under the canopy where it is protected."

This is actually a design benefit of the 600Ep as is keeps all of the RC electronics away from the RF producing motor and speed control. Anyone who has had some serious crashes knows the canopy offers no protection against mother earth and having the electronics out back offers the front end of the heli up first to absorb the crunch.

" And yes, it does wobble if the headspeed drops below about 1950. I think that this is due to the frame design. "

It sounds like damper problems as we now have over 600 kits in the market with no complaints other than the other Mr. Snoopy's and yours about the wobble?

The 600ep as well as the TT is designed to have the rotor head run well over 2000rpm so this really is a mute point.

XeroG
10-11-2006 Over year old.
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Furyous
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Location: Detroit, Michigan

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Xero G 600ep

I have two of the Xero G 600ep helis and I have had no problems whatsoever. They are the most powerful and attention-grabbing helis wherever I go. In fact, most descibe them as the cadillacs of electric helis.
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Louisiana Helicam
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Location: West Monroe, LA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I agree with XeroG, I think you have something wrong with your setup. I saw the same problems...that is until we got them set up correctly. The other items that you mentioned are really non-issues. The 600EP is a great machine.

Formerly Viperhawk
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w.pasman
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Location: Netherlands

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Anyone who has had some serious crashes knows the canopy offers no protection against mother earth and having the electronics out back offers the front end of the heli up first to absorb the crunch.


Of course you can always crash so hard that the canopy is not helping anymore. But for lighter crashes a canopy can really save your electronics

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having the electronics out back offers the front end of the heli up first to absorb the crunch.


that holds only IF you crash nose-in which is pretty unlikely. I made two light crashes and both were mostly hitting the tail, not the front.

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If you are getting 200 flights out of it with maybe a bearing failure, I would say you are lucky as I dont know of many glo engines that go that long without a liner or rear bearing!

True in my case, but I'm assured by everyone that the OS50 is the only engine that behaves this way. No one else at my field has any rear bearing issues
10-12-2006 Over year old.
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XeroG
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Location: USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yes we all can find new and innovative ways to crash....

As for the bearings, still dont know what failed or wore on his machine so the bearing conclusion was just conjecture...but most have a hard time getting 200 flights on an engine without it showing signs of wear.

Keep enjoying the hobby regardless of brand or power source, this is supposed to be fun!

XeroG
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w.pasman
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Location: Netherlands

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most have a hard time getting 200 flights on an engine without it showing signs of wear.


Aah that's entirely a different statement. I guess that's true in spite of many claiming that their rear bearing looks as new after a few hundred flights. But most electrics will wear as well, probably just as fast as their piston-based collegues
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Ben-T-Spindle
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Location: Central Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		For me electrics get a bit more flying than when I was flying glow helicopter (I still fly some glow). A typical summer I will have two electric helicopters and put over 200 flights on each of them. I have found that electrics tend to be a lot more maintenance free than glow helicopters.

Next summer I hope to have a new E620 and my XeroG 600EP so I can make a lot of back to back comparisons. Currently I am flying a Neu Motors 1912/1.5Y/F with the outrunner mounting plate and a 12s LiPo in my XeroG 600EP. I can definitely say that it does has awesome of performance is more trouble free than the original box setup. The Kasama head and Radix blades give it a really crazy cyclic rate. It will blow away any glow powered 50-size helicopter and probably the 90’s as well.

I will probably use the exact same power system for the E620 although the gear choices will be slightly different so there will be some difference in the headspeed. I already have another Kasama head just waiting for a E620 kit.

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... BTS
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XeroG
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Location: USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hey Ben-T

I still would like to know what kind of problems you had with the transmission?

Note:

We have tested A LOT, the high rpm motor still has alot more power than the high pole Outrunners. That being said, you dont so much notice it in collective popping manuevers two feet off the ground but in "big sky" manuevers like loops, cuban 8s etc. And if you try the high pole motor on 12s like you currently run you will simply be blown away!

Anyway, what problems did you have as I am always trying to improve?

XeroG
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Ben-T-Spindle
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Location: Central Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The Neu Motors 1912/1.5Y/F is NOT an outrunner. Steve Neu says they make their best power in the 25-30K range – seams about right from my experience.

The transmission gears make a bit of dust and after about 150 flights the bottom of the large gear would ware where it makes contact with the bottom bearing. I kept replacing the shims but it chewed them up every 20-30 flights. It could be that I had a bearing problem but it did seam smooth and I kept it lubed. I finally used thread lock to keep it from chewing up the spacers but by that time I had all the parts to convert an underneath mounted motor.

I have a lot of flights since the conversion and am very happy with the results - a nice clean and quiet setup. Can’t believe that you make the conversion parts and not recommend them?

I am not saying the XeroG 600EP is not a good helicopter – it’s excellent and I will definitely keep it. I just think that I would have done a few things differently but all designs are a compromise depending on the purpose and preferences of the designer.

Keep up the good work,

... BTS
10-13-2006 Over year old.
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Nick Jones
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Location: ....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		So whats the "release date" they have set?
10-21-2006 Over year old.
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OICU812
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Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'll tell you all again if I did not already, lol. What really dissapoints me about this E Raptor is the top frame, you have to split it to change out the main shaft bearings, just like the Raptor 50, good greif! Do these people at Thunder Tiger listen to nothing? I liked when they made the blocks all seperate on the R90, why in the heck could they not do a better design on the E Raptor?, man oh man....

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
10-24-2006 Over year old.
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switch26
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Location: CA

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'll tell you all again if I did not already, lol. What really dissapoints me about this E Raptor is the top frame, you have to split it to change out the main shaft bearings, just like the Raptor 50, good greif! Do these people at Thunder Tiger listen to nothing? I liked when they made the blocks all seperate on the R90, why in the heck could they not do a better design on the E Raptor?, man oh man....


dont worrie will make one just for you, sorry i couldnt resist Man,
i totally agree with you bro,things could be better if they only think about what the customers really look for in a new design,

you know what?thats it man, im puting all my Raptors in the trash,LOL
ok maybe not,or maybe just after i crash them,all kidding aside i really dont care how they build it as long as they drop the price so we could all afford them with out breaking the bank,

that eraptor is gonna get prety expensive,they said the price is going to be around $499 with out motor,esc or any other electronics
plus being a ten cell setup,the batteries are really going to put a hole in your pocket,i think the 10 cell lipos are going to be somewhere around $500,hmm sudently i lost interest on the eraptor
and i just dont know why,
10-24-2006 Over year old.
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OICU812
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Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Allready have the lipos, and esc, and maybe even a motor laying around for it, I am not concerned about that. I just hate it when manufacturers do not recognize and capitalize on their weaknesses. At this rate their heli is not going to be much competition imho. Frankly I am beginning not to care about this heli anymore either. TT is dragging their feet so hard on this heli Align will have released 3 more sizes I am sure by then.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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cptsnoopy
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Location: Phoenix, AZ USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I flew a trex600 with a c50-15xl/stock align 10t pinion and a 9s-2p battery setup(37.8v-4200mah). It is not quite as nimble as the 600 with the stock motor and 6s but it is close and it has more power (it just weighs more). I was able to fly a full 7 minutes without power loss before landing. Compared to my eRaptor50 with an Actro 24-4 the Trex600 is much more nimble. I have not done any mods to make the Raptor more nimble, all I have done is lighten it up as much as I could and put on the tppacks.com eCCPM kit. I can't see any reason that someone would spend money on the eRaptor when the Trex600 will outperform it in stock form and if you put a better motor and batteries in the Trex I am not sure you could mod a Raptor with any amount of money to keep up with it. (ok, that's a stretch but spending enough money to make it fly as well or better is defeating the purpose)
All that being said I have my eRaptor and enough parts to make another sans frame. I will be buying a plastic frame and putting the Z-power Z50-600 in it. I will keep track of the costs and see if we can get a good cost to performance to compare with the new e620se frame kit. (when one comes out... )
10-24-2006 Over year old.
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Qrrambero
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Location: San Francisco / Bay Area

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I found this in a shop in England.

The Thunder Tiger Electric Raptors are on their way, we are expecting them in the first week of December. Based on the Raptor 50 V2, including eCCPM, there are two versions, the Raptor E550 (below) and the Raptor E620SE, priced at £215.99 and £359.99 respectively.


The electronics pack is not included in the kits and is expected early in 2007. In the meantime, we'll be happy to advise on choice of motors, ESC, battery etc. We can take pre-orders now, so if you want to be sure of getting one before Christmas, please give us a call.

Ae
10-27-2006 Over year old.
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LLC
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Which shop in England is selling at that price?
10-27-2006 Over year old.
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KORN
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Location: big field

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hey , Hey...
the manuel is online now
http://www.acehobby.com/ace/PDF/Heli/TTR4730_50.pdf
10-28-2006 Over year old.
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