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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > I had it with Align
 
 
MrMel
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Location: Lidingo, Sweden (GMT+1)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Most people have a hard time admitting they bought a bad product (because no-one want to stand there like the fool you then are)

But I admit, Ive dont it not once, not twice but 15+ times.

Ive built all of them, from the first V1 to the SE v2.

How many versions has it been since the V1? 5, 7, 9 ? I dont know ive lost count.

You think they would have gotten it right by now.

Today I decided to put my SE up to the test for some 3D, its a brand new SE, just a few hovering flights with it, nothing more.

I realized that the tail didnt hold for jack, its a 401/9650 combo, its properly setup both in rate and hh mode.

Started to check everything when I realized.
1. Tail has tons of slop in it, its enough for a few degrees pitch change, slops comes from that single plastic part still in there.
2. Tail rear pulley is to small between the bearrings, allowing it moving forth and back.
3. Front pulley was not straight (remember no crashes or anything on this bird)
4. Font pulley's teeths spacing does NOT match the belts teeth space, belt jumping in/out all the time.

All of these of course resulted in a small vibrations or something that the gyro dont like, tried double futaba tape, no luck.

Sure its "fixable" but I dont care anymore.

So my conclusion is that Align's SE must stand for "Sh*tty Edition"


I guess only thing for me to do, is head down to the ocean, disable fail-safe, and let if fly and fly and fly away....if it dont fall down from a mechanical error before that...

While its doing that, I will get my Logo or ERaptor and do what I wanted to do from the first place, just fly 2 batteries in the evening, every evening.

/Rant off.

- Fredrik out.
06-19-2006 10:36 PM
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Edge
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis, IN

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I find this whining about quality to be amusing. If the product was as bad as some of you say, production would have ceased some time ago due to lack of sales. The birds I have built have flown well. I don't care for Align blades or ESC's, but their airframe design works very well. Attention to detail in the setup is key, like in all birds. Maybe it's not the bird, but the builder that is the problem for those of you carping about quality! A Swiss watch will be junk if not assembled properly!
06-19-2006 11:17 PM
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drdot
Elite Veteran
Location: So. California, Orange County.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		fwiw..

Just finished my SE two weeks ago....Went to the field, flew four packs of pure rock n'roll...No hitch, no glitch, just pure smooth flyin' pleasure...Maybe mine was made by another manufacturer by mistake....

John.
06-19-2006 11:19 PM
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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
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Maybe it's not the bird, but the builder that is the problem for those of you carping about quality!


But if you read through the posts here on RR and elsewhere, you will soon realize that the quality control from Align is poor at best, and the quality, finish, and fit of their various components over the past couple years has been very poor.

In the case of the T-Rex, quality of their kits and parts is still questionable, and a lot of people are opting to replace factory stock parts with third party stuff.

The builder doesn't control the manufacture and installation of factory assembled parts (in this particular case, the pulley on the front shaft). The builder is not responsible for the fact that the pulley belt pitch is inaccurate, or that the pulley is not straight. THAT is ALIGN's problem.

The builder is not responsible for the poor tolerance stackup problem in the rear pulley assembly. THAT is ALIGN's fault.

The slop in the TR control due to poor tolerancing and quality control is not the builder's fault. THAT is ALIGN's problem.

Nor is the builder responsible for the quality of the screws and bolts used in the kit, nor the quality of the bearings supplied.

Dave
06-19-2006 11:32 PM
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heliboy1023
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Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Let me ask you this; Did you fully disassemble the kit, and put everything back together. If you didn't, and tried taking the easy way out, then you deserve what you get. Also, did you pay careful attention to detail? If not, once again, you deserve a poor flying bird. I have seen raptors fly like sh*
t. The reason isn't the heli, but the builder, because they decided they wanted to fly, rather than to take their time.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.
06-19-2006 11:45 PM
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clive45
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Location: NSW Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I agree that quality control is a problem, but if you dont like it dont buy it. You can get caught once but not more. As said there are thousands of posts outlining the faults etc of the TREX and its manufacturer. But if you build it right and make sure what you use is good then whats the problem. If I get new parts that are bad then I send them an email and they usually send me replacements. Now if enough people do this maybe the supplier will jet fed up with loosing out and pass it on to the factory. Most LHS will help you out and want a happy customer. But before "Willy" jumps on me, not all of us have a LHS and you have to email etc which is a pain as you have to wait for new parts before you can fly and I have very limited time to fly. So I build up a spares cache and get ahead of the ball game. I am prepared to put up with this as I like the heli and I know that this is not a perfect world or heli. We dont pay a lot realy for what we get out of this little heli.
Willy I hope that beltless tail is goin fine !
06-19-2006 11:52 PM
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karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		heliboy,

The why in the heck do they OFFER pre-assembled kits? What freaking good is a pre-assembled kit that you have to tear-down and re-build?

It's just one more example of how these heli companies operate - offer a pre-assembled kit with the false expectation that it is ready to fly, wait for it to explode, then say gee, didn't you tear it down and re-build it? Oh, you need $200.00 in parts becase a $3.00 part failed... sorry, here's a free $3.00 part!

It just amazes me that some of you are prepared to be sheep for these companies.

"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-19-2006 11:54 PM
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Wa11banger
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Location: Huntsville, Al

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I think more people should quit buying them!! That way the ones that are left eventually get cheaper and cheaper on the shelf and I will buy them all up Hell, it's a substandard helicopter, most of you all knew that going in, but still bought it!!! Must be the sheep mentality huh? The guy says he has bought them all, built them all and is now finally giving up lol.. What a shame to invest so much effort, time, and money into such an exercise in futility.LMAO... Anyone who bought a little 18" helicopter and expected a Hirobo in the box, especially after all these years of them being bitched about is crazy. Quality sucks? I built one of the first ones.. Took 2 months to get it to fly worth a damn.. I sold it and was happier for the experience.. About 5 months ago I decided to do it again, I bought a XL and upgraded it with all the grey parts that were available before it ever flew, just because I'm that kind of guy and I thought the grey parts looked great. Until this last weekend it flew flawlessly all the way into the ground. Ya dumb thumbs finally took out a 60 - 70 flight bird that was changed every weekend day from day bird to night bird then back again in the morning. Yupp that quality sure is crappy, but hey look at the cost of those repair parts!!! Back in the air for $25 minus the Hyperion's.. Damn I wish my nitros could do that, You want quality, double the price tag and the ongoing maintenance costs and you can have it. You want a balls out handful of fun that you can fly anywhere, continue buying the little thing and fly the piss out of it, repair and rebuild as necessary! They got to the top of their world by domination, in other words feel own3d! lmao Hell, you could always go get a blade CX I hear the quality on that one is better.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
06-19-2006 11:58 PM
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clive45
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Location: NSW Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		DKSHEMA, If you don't like Aligns quality control and the way it manufactures its parts, then why in the hell did you buy a TREX. Did you hope you might get the only good one.
It realy annoys me when people get some thing and complain about it and then tell you that they knew the problems with it before they purchased it.
Don't waste you time whineing spend it fixing the problems and go and enjoy flying the heli.
We would all like a perfect heli that costs $0 ans never requires parts or never crashes, but the world is not perfect. Get used to it and move on with life and enjoy or you will be a very unhappy camper for the rest of your life.
06-19-2006 11:59 PM
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clive45
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Location: NSW Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		WA11banger, I agree, very well put.
06-20-2006 12:02 AM
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karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I have noproblem with folks like clive and wallbanger perpetually tinkering with inferior products for a few second of gratification, after all, it's a free country (well, wait, nah I'll leave the politics out).

I wonder if the heli that ALIGN sent to Jason Krause had the same quality issues as so many of the people here on RR have had? No doubt those geniuses at ALIGN dug through their piles of junk to find 'in-spec' parts to assemble Jason's birds with - I mean god forbid the thing explode with Jason at the controls...

So, it's MARKETING, guys. They give a good heli that's been gone over with a fine tooth comb to a pro, he makes a video of it flying perfect, and a few million people buy one - only the one's the few million people buy, are crap...

Get the point?

If you think, for one minute, that ANYONE in ALIGN cares a hoot about YOU, or your heli, you are token on a huge bong of some really powerful stuff!

"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 12:10 AM
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clive45
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Location: NSW Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Karl58, It amazes me with you attitude towards heli manufacturers etc that you have anything to do with helis or that you spend time on the forums saying what you do say.
i would have thought you would be into something else where you dont have to have a negative attitude and could enjoy yourself.
06-20-2006 12:11 AM
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karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		clive,

I AM enjoying myself by providing positive reality to this forum. How do you conclude that facts are negative?

"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 12:14 AM
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Wa11banger
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Location: Huntsville, Al

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
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I have noproblem with folks like clive and wallbanger perpetually tinkering with inferior products for a few second of gratification,

hmm tinkering here and there.. hmm.. few seconds of gratification, what part of 60 -70 flights without maintenance without issue,hell even had the wobbly main gear didn't seem to bother the heli but is sure bothers the crap outta a bunch of people here lol. I bought the metal parts with the kit, assembled the kit, and until the very moment in time that it hit the ground done nothing to it.. I guess you could count the 3 clicks of fwd elevetor and 1 click right aileron trim as tinkering endlessly tho!

60-70 flights is nothing, No telling how long it would have gone but I pranged it. It is however amazing how many people seem to struggle with builds, and the ability to understad something for what it is tho

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
06-20-2006 12:16 AM
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Wa11banger
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Location: Huntsville, Al

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		haha positive reality, where do you know me and know the tinkering I went through? lol The only tinkering done is with my kick ass night blades

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
06-20-2006 12:17 AM
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karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Sorry, Rick,

That IS a lot of flights! But, you're saying your bird flew that way stock, straight out of the box?

The point here is that there is just way too much MISLEADING marketing going on, and that s**t is just wrong. If a few choose to endure the flaws and smoke & mirrors, that's their choice - same as the choice for people that place Character & Integrity above all else and voice their positive reality thoughts here.



"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 12:18 AM
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clive45
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Location: NSW Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		It's not hte facts that are negative so much, but they are its the way you keep telling the sad story. Why not try and help others who are less fortunate than yourself that do not have the outlook that you have on life. Its all to easy to whine and tell people that they are stupid for doing what you consider wrong. Its far better to raise thier spirits and show them the light, take them to a different plane( or should that be heli).Brighten thier dismal future and be able to look into the mirror and say I helped someone feel better, I am a better person for it.
Then offer to help fix his heli by paying for him to send it to you so you can make it perfect and return it to him free of charge.
See I told you its not a perfect world.
06-20-2006 12:23 AM
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Wa11banger
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Location: Huntsville, Al

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Stock with all align parts on it, not stock out of the box, but you can look at my gallery and see I have nothing that is not full metal, Why because they last through prang after prang.. Even now, the only thing I lost was a tail boom, a horizontal fin, main shaft, spindle, main gear, and blades. The usual parts, and all back in the air for roughly $25. I do fly the piss out of my helis, and it has been beaten by the best pilots around in those flights, Matt Botos flew the crap out of it during our local night show, Eric Larson showed me what it was really capable of, It had the tail boom taken off of it and another night rig tail setup dropped in every weekend night. Not one part of this heli was replaced due to defect, two were replaced due to me, A belt I ran it to tight once, and a slow down gear because I dropped a medusa in her and drove it up to 3400 HS

I easily would have gotten many many many more flights off it well at least till I pranged it

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
06-20-2006 12:26 AM
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blytle
Heliman
Location: Maple Valley, WA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Not to make you guys jealous, but I think I did get the ONLY in spec T-rex ever manufactured. I have heard about out of spec parts, separating swash, shredding tail belts and the like. Now with over 100+ mild 3D flights on mine, the only quality problems I've had leading up to a crash is the quality of my flying ability.

Sorry, I just don't see it

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06-20-2006 12:26 AM
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karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		clive,

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and tell people that they are stupid for doing what you consider wrong


When did I call you stupid?

I AM actually helping the less fortunate, and un-suspecting - by telling the TRUTH.

"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 12:26 AM
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