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Al Austria
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I also like the location of the fuel tank. Many helis tend to be "tail heavy" and the forward mounted tank will help with the final CG of the heli. I'm not sure how many oz of fuel it holds but it looks BIG....


Your heli will more than likely be tail heavy toward the end of the tank. I don't know about you but I bet most folks would prefer having to add ballast to a tail heavy machine with a rear(CG) mounted fuel tank and have the benefit of a consistent flight CG and trim. But whatever floats your boat I suppose.

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06-19-2006 05:34 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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I don't know about you but I bet most folks would prefer having to add ballast to a tail heavy machine with a rear(CG) mounted fuel tank and have the benefit of a consistent flight CG and trim. But whatever floats your boat I suppose.


It sure is a matter of preference...... I've had machines with both front and rear mounted tanks and to be frank, I don't think the difference is huge....

CG on a heli is not as important (my opinion) as it is for a plank, since flying a heli is a constant dynamic event. If given the choice, I would rather NOT add dead weight to adjust balance at the risk of sacrificing performance.

Either way, front or rear mounted tank would not be a deciding factor (for me) for the purchase of a heli....
06-19-2006 02:10 PM
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Jimmi
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Looks like your coming along, the build looks great and simple. Hows the part count say to a miniature heli? Less, the same, or more? In looking at that heli a while back it looked like it was on the heavy side but actually its alot lighter then other helis and looks can be decieving Also from what a few owners have said they fly really well. I would like to see how well you think about its flying capabilities, please keep us posted. I also may add the pictures don't do any parts viewing justice. I agree with henry that some parts looked kinda rough, so your mind isn't playing any tricks on ya henry Good luck Juan and please keep us posted on your new arrival Jimmi
06-19-2006 03:40 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Jimmi,

Yes, the build is going well and I have found it to be easy and straightforward so far. Regarding the parts count, I can't really make a comparison between this kit and Miniature because I have not owned any of the current Miniature models, just the older non CCPM models. Maybe someone who has owned both can comment ??? All I can say is that I quickly found myself without any more parts bags to open !!

Work and home type commitments have been killing me lately but I'm hoping to be able to spend more time this week on the build in order to have it up and flying as soon as possible. Flying reports to follow soon after that....I'll definitely keep you posted !
06-20-2006 11:39 AM
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Quick Worldwide
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Q 50 NOT TAIL HEAVY

To answer the question about CG all machines when designed we must consider all the perimeters.

By placing the tank up front we assure of easy glow plug access with removing the canopy, also forward CG with full tank on down....as the main tank burns off the CG shifts towards the rear. Now with the battery all the way up front CG will stay forward....if one choices a all day battery pack like a 3000 Mah you need only to move back under the two servos & off the receiver tray....

This consideration is on every machine we build...CG is basic aero dynamics...

Thanks Irwin
06-20-2006 09:23 PM
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Al Austria
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Why not just put the fuel tank under the CG and eliminate the CG shift? My findings with EVERY machine with a forward mounted tank are that the elevator response changes and the roll performance becomes less and less axial throughout the flight. As for rear glow plug access, IMHO it's a minor detail and its benefits do not outweigh that of a CG mounted tank. Look at the newer breed of machines, all of their tanks are CG mounted. It's not a trend, it just makes more sense.

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06-20-2006 09:42 PM
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I was not being defensve..However nearly all 30-46 class machines are tail heavy simply because what's up front does not counter balance what is back....

The problem with the tanks under the main shaft would be the over all height of the machine....creating an out of balance frame design...

Every machine has it own design charaterics....They are all good & like you say all unique...

I never met a Helicopter I did not like...Irwin
06-20-2006 09:59 PM
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The Newtron
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Whatever...

WOW.. I gotta be honest. I don't know Irwin, never met him, never flew a Quick either. I admire the fact that Irwin responds as much as he does and defends himself and his products as effectively and consistently as he does. If you have a problem with your computer software do you think you can get online and speak to Bill Gates? Ummm, NO.. Perhaps I'm mistaken but I've only seen (2) heli manufactures consistently post here. The other is for the Dyna X Heli. Obviously, Irwin does so because he chooses to. His patience with criticisms far out stretches mine. Good shot Irwin!!

If it were my heli, my design and if you didn't like it or think you can do better... OK. It's all about choices and options and when some of you start creating and marketing your own design then you won't have to worry about the design specs of others. Just my opinion..

BiG Newt
06-22-2006 05:36 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Hi all, I'm back....

....and a little closer to "home plate".....

After having completed the motor/fan/clutch assembly , I decided that I wanted to install a Trottle Jockey governor... Actually, I __forgot__ that I had wanted to use it initially until the assembly was completed ! They say that the memory is the SECOND thing that goes !!

After mounting the bracket and carefully marking the "spot" where the magnet should go, I dissasembled the unit in order to drill the mounting hole for the magnet. The fan does not have a "moulded divot" for the magnet so the installation is left up to the user. I had to do the same for a CNC TT cooling fan which did not have the "divots" either...

Using a 4 mm drill, I carefully drilled the hole under one of the cooling fins so as to give the magnet support on the back side.



The magnet is flush with the bottom side of the cooling fan. This will allow me to keep a tight tolerance between the magnet and the sensor...Before gluing, you have to make sure the magnet is facing "the right way" or the sensor will not pick up the pulse to send back to the TJ electronics....Not shown in the pic are some washers I placed under the head of one of the fan mounting bolts opposite the magnet to "offset" the weight. The assembly was then put on a high point for balance purposes....

None of this fussing is necessary, of course, if you don't intend to install a governor...



This is how the install turned out.



Before calling it quits for the eve, I was able to get a few more odds and ends done and to play around with some of the gear mesh setups. It looks like the gear meshes are going to turn out great !! Have to get up early in the am for a 7 am "T-Time" prior to having to report to work !! so that's a far as I got.

06-22-2006 08:09 PM
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Quick Worldwide
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Thanks for the kind words..

Newtron

Our company will do whatever it takes to make the best we know how to...After 20 years it is clear most other heli makers have copied our designs....Thanks to unlimited creativity of the human spirit QWW is always working on new technology....

This is our job...

BTW I did call Bill Gates up & was pleased to find out he uses the same tolet paper as I do....

The big difference it's someone else's hand...

Thanks Irwin
06-23-2006 03:51 AM
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Al Magaloff
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WOW.. I gotta be honest. I don't know Irwin, never met him, never flew a Quick either. I admire the fact that Irwin responds as much as he does
I agree with you also. As popular as we have made the Raptor, you will never "speak" to anyone of any significant importance, in the ThunderTiger organization. Good job Irwin. I've looked at Juan's machine, and can say that so far, the Quick 50 is nicer than I had expected. I'll be anxious to fly it some when finished. Thanks for that opportunity Juan.
06-25-2006 03:06 AM
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WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE RC HELI COMMUNITY

All of us here at QWW are decitated to supporting our customers & our products.....

We are here to help with any requirements or tech support needed.

We have more than 50 years experience...in all phases of EP, Nitro or gas models....

You won't be disapointed in out service or our products....

Irwin
06-25-2006 03:00 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Down the final stretch !!



Push rod assembly made easy with a link tool chucked up in a drill. Links were made to order using a caliper with the Vario "posts" which are attached to the caliper jaws....



May be hard to see in this photo but for mounting the canopy, I installed a setscrew ground to a point at each of the four canopy mounting stand-offs.... The canopy can then be slipped on to place and adjusted as needed. The sharpened setscrews not only held the canopy in place but also gave me a slight "bump" on the outside of the canopy to mark for drilling... This canopy comes already "pre-painted" so shining a light from the inside to get your mark is more difficult....




The trick to getting a nice canopy mounting job is to take it slow and mark and drill one mounting point at a time..... that way, minor adjustments and a more accurate job can be done. I used a very sharp hand reammer made by Dynamite (popular with the car guys) to "drill" the holes.... very easy to get the hole started in the proper place and the size to exactly what you need.

In the above photo you can see I have drilled the first two mounting holes on the left side and the canopy is temporarily held in place by two 3 mm SHCS's while the rest of the alignment is checked and marked for drilling.....

The rest of the assembly has gone relatively smooth..... all that is needed now is final radio installation and programming followed by some test flying !!

I'll keep you all posted !!
07-03-2006 03:07 PM
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Al Magaloff
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Nice write-up so far bud!
07-03-2006 08:26 PM
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copperclad
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The canopy can then be slipped on to place and adjusted as needed. The sharpened setscrews not only held the canopy in place but also gave me a slight "bump" on the outside of the canopy to mark for drilling


hi Juan
great tip , thinks for posting , dana
07-04-2006 12:44 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Thanx for the kind words, guys !!!
07-04-2006 12:51 AM
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MAINBLADES50
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I think it is a pain to mount them. Tried shineing a lite on the inside (helped some). I was never any good at mounting cowlings either. Oh yeah, it always helps to have batts installed on the outdoo to get the spaceing correct (LOL). Ben there done that.
Oh well have to go slower on the Quickie 8.
Barry

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07-04-2006 04:56 AM
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Froggy Flyer
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Quick 50 Pro

I just recently bought a quick 50 Pro and I have to say I was impressed. All the parts that I have seen have had top notch machining. The directions where easy to follow and intuitive (just try not to rush anything)I have allready had a few minor things pointed out to me, luckally I live 5 minuts from Hellies and Hobbies. Though if your not as privalidged as me the build should still be fine (just follow the directions). Becides that I am moments from finishing the build and am looking forward to my fist flight with Irwin (the owner of the store)
07-08-2006 01:02 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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First Test Flights !!

It's been a month since I started this thread. It has given me great pleasure building this machine and seeing the end results come together nicely !! Irwin and the QWW crew were very helpful in answering any questions "quickly" (pun intended !) and with taking care of some very minor issues already documented here.....

I need to clarify something before proceeding.... As stated above, I started this thread about one month ago..... My attitude was that I would build the machine at a leisurely pace and in my "spare time" (yea, what's that ??) as to not be in a hurry to just throw things together. In reality, this machine can be easily put together in less than half of the time it took me to complete... probably less than a week for the average builder, for sure....

That being said, I had the opportunity to test fly the machine yesterday afternoon..... The OS 50 fired right up without hesitation (no surprise there), followed by a decent "range test" with the motor running. With all systems go, the Q50 lifted off at three quarter stick (as expected) and settled into a smooth hover....The only mechanical adjustments needed were one turn on a ball link to get the tracking perfect and about 3 clicks of forward... Not sure if the forward trim was due to the rather windy conditions...Motorwise, the OS was initially running too rich and took several clicks to lean it some before making some power.

The first tank was flown without the canopy while making adjustments to the motor, followed by the TJ Pro to get the headspeed to about 1750. I'll probably bump that up a bit more later on....

Second tank with the canopy in place was spent on doing some forward flight, slow and fast, to get familiar with the feel of the machine then followed by some non-agressive type of aerobatics..... My buddy Al got to fly it as well....By the end of the second flight, the weather had deteriorated to the point where the wind and visibility were as such that to continue to fly would not have been fun.... The white canopy was blending in so well with the storm clouds overhead that orientation (other than just hovering around) would have been an issue...My body and fender buddy, Rodney, is going to be doing a "custom" paint job on the canopy rather than using the decals included in the kit.

My first impressions of the machine is that the Q50 is very SMOOTH, stable and predictable....One visual "smoothness" indicator I key in on in additon to the overall heli is the fuel in the tank. My Q50's fuel while in the hover was dead still....

In FFF, the Q50's tracking was excellent, despite the windy/gusty conditions. Without naming brands, other 50's I've flown do suffer in that respect. One 60 I had a while back was so "pitchy" in FFF that I decided to get rid of it !!....I'm not sure what the difference is with the Q50 other than the head design and tight tolerances which result in an absolutely slop free setup. Unlike some other 50's I've flown, the Q50 also sports an 8mm head spindle as well as a 4 mm flybar. The BC6- Flight Monitor showed absolutely no glitching during the flights.

If it sounds like I'm pleased with the machine, you are right !!

Here is the basic setup....

OS 050 SX-H (to be replaced with a Hyper when I can afford it)
TT50 Muffler (I would like to see a Curtis pipe on this)
JR 811's for all except tail (8311's in the future ?)
JR 10X with PCM 649 Rx
Dean's Whip
Fut. 401/9253
TJ Pro Gov
Electro-Dynamics 1700 NiCad (custom with 2 leads)
BC6-Battery Monitor/ Glitch counter
SAB 600 Fiberglass Mains
Wildcat 30 % Fuel

Here are a few pics I took of the "event".... Additional flying reports to follow......

Completed heli ready for blades...


Spiral wrap to protect the wiring agains chafing on the carbon frames...Neatness counts, in my opinion.....


Just in case, a "before" pic..... Can you see the grin on my face ???


Q50 in a stable hover....

07-10-2006 03:26 PM
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Al Magaloff
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My buddy Al got to fly it as well....
I did! The first flight of 2006 actually. I felt the machine was very smooth and tracked well. Collective is very nice. Juan mentioned the gusting conditions and the ugly sky, postponing further evauations, until this coming weekend.
07-12-2006 03:09 AM
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