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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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After starting with a Shuttle as my first heli many years ago, I have owned and flown, Xcells (46, 60 and gasser), Intrepids (46, 60's and gasser), Concept 30 and most recently the Raptor line (30 through 60). Recently, I found myself looking for something different. I feel that as an intermediate pilot, the 50 sized helis still offers the best bang for the buck. I decided to try the Quick 50 Pro because it looked like to me that there would be no additional "upgrades" needed. Looked like to me that all of the upgrades that I would need were included in the kit.....

I want to share some thoughts throughout the building process and would like to start out by posting some pics that I took today of some of the major components. A couple of my flying buddies and I have had an opportunity to "look things over" and they agree that the machined parts that make up this machine are very high in quality. That is what has impressed me most right off the bat.

Secondly, I have been in contact with Irwin and he has been very helpful to me in sharing some thoughts on building the machine and some "do's and don'ts". Additionally, Irwin appears to me to be very dedicated to his work and truly believes that his products are one of the best , if not the best, on the market.

If anyone else has any suggestions as I move forward with this build , please do share your tips.........I would greatly appreciate it.



The tail rotor assembly comes "pre-assembled".... the machining on these parts are of very good quality and the pitch mechanism is smooth as silk throughout the rotor pitch range.



The full metal head also comes pre-assembled. Again, the quality of this head is just as good as the high dollar machines that I have ever owned. I will be partially dissasembling the head to ensure that locktite has been used in the appropriate places as well as the proper lube applied to the thrust bearings.....



The swashplate, mixing arms, bearing blocks and assorted bellcranks appear to have been machined to perfection. The anodized pieces are an example that attention to detail has certainly been given.



The machined clutch bell has some "scallops" machined into the top vents.... I assume that the reason is for improved cooling to the clutch/liner..... I'll have to ask Irwin about that one... I also want to know why they didn't anodize the bell !!!



More nicely machined parts..... the motor mount is machined, rather than "cast" like many others I have seen.....

My initial impressions of this model is that it is a high quality kit at a price that won't kill the bank considering that all of the "bling" is included......The test will be (or course) , how does it fly ??? Let me build it first !!

Stay tuned, more to follow.....
06-11-2006 12:18 AM
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Henry
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I feel I must differ with you on the parts quality. Based on your excellant photos, I see many areas that could use improvement. One that shocked me the most was one of the ball links on the swash assembly. It appears to be very roughly machined which IMHO would wear out a link in no time. Now it may just be the photo playing tricks on me. A couple of other photos revealed parts with very rough finish...the kind of roughness created by a a part being machined too quickly or machined with dull tooling. Again, this could be the photo playing tricks on me. Does anyone else out there see these things?

The most important thing in today's RC hobby et al is happiness with the product. If you are happy with it and it operates as advertized then everyone is happy.

You may or may not be awhare that in the past, Irwin has had his problems with quality, parts count and customer service just to name a few. Hopefully this means he is coming around and buckling down the hatches so to speak. I hope so for it would be a crime to keep offering and promoting copied, Chinese crap!!

Please do not take me the wrong way. I am not belittling your choice or anybody for that matter. Just stating fact and personal experience. Remember: If your happy, your happy!
06-11-2006 01:43 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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Henry,

Thanx for your comments, I did ask for them....

Yes, the "close up" pictures are playing tricks with you. That happens when the pics are first posted and seem to be somewhat of a "distortion" of sorts and seem to exaggerate things that are not really a factor...

This is my first experience with the Quick line of helis so I'm keeping an open mind as I begin with this project. I will certainly report what I find as I go along....

Thank you for your comments and please keep them coming...
06-11-2006 02:14 AM
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Uplink Tom
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Location: State College PA

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Had mine out for it's first hover today. Looks like I need to re-balance the head. Other than the shake, and forgetting the locktite in a few places (boom moved-belt slipped) gyro backwards, loose fuel tank, and a few other things I forgot.... no crash!!

This is my 4th heli since the original Concept DX. I crash them so bad that I give up and go back to planes. Then I get the heli itch again....crash again...give it up.... I never could find anyone local to help me set up and fly a heli. I just keep trying through bullheadedness.

The quality is a real step up compared to the plastic helis I've had. Hopefully I get over a gallon through it before I total it

I've been to see Irwin a few times and got some tips and instructions cleared up. If you need any detail photos, I'll take them for ya.

http://www.thelasercutter.com/quick50-5.jpg

Tom

Heli's just mock me then crash....
06-11-2006 03:13 AM
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ant_mb
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Location: Delran NJ

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I finished my build last summer. Mine didn't come partly assembled like yours did. It was a kit in pieces. The build was pretty straight forward and the parts all fit together nicely. I put the Hyper in it and it really has alot of power and flies very well. Make sure you use loctite everywhere(I missed a few). Good luck with the build, I know you will have fun with it.

Thanks
Anthony
06-11-2006 05:30 AM
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the Wasp
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sorry Juan, "and this has NOTHING to do with you trolling me in the past cause I looked at the same heli to buy",, but as someone trained in machining I have to agree with the other guys, the finish on many of those part's are ruff, errr second rate !!


Jim

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06-11-2006 07:43 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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No problem, Jim.....

The fact that you fly and are the main cheerleader for Century can't be held against you !!!

I know that quality, specially finish, on machined parts can vary from batch to batch....... perhaps it happens that I might have a decent batch....

It will be the end result that matters, though..... How the kit comes together and most importantly, how it flies.....

If it looks pretty as heck but doesn't fly worth a c*ap then what would be the point ??
06-11-2006 01:31 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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The Building Begins....

Double post.... sorry...
06-11-2006 11:50 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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The Building Begins...

First came a "search" for the "missing" flanged bearing that gets installed in the upper frame assembly....I was convinced it was missing and was about to send QWW a message when I discovered that the missing bearing was actually lodged into another bearing in one of the bearing blocks !!!




Once the bearing was found, installation into the upper frames was easy. The holes in the frames had to be sanded down a bit (as outlined in the manual) and then "pressed" in place using a vice and socket. This method makes the installation easy and prevents damage to the bearings...



Servo installation was straigthforward.... I added a "backer" washer behind the servo to better spread the load of the locknut...


I ran into a problem with the inner elevator control arm. The manual called for a 3x5 set screw to engage a "flat" on the elev shaft but when I tried to install that set screw, it nearly fell through the threaded hole !! To make a long story short, the threaded hole was machined incorrectly... I was left with only a couple of options....1. Send the part back for replacement or,

2. Re-tap the hole for a 4 mm set screw.

There wasn't enough "meat" on the part for a 4 mm setscrew. Rather than using a "repaired" part, QWW is sending me a new part right away. The mail usually only takes a day or so. I'll skip ahead until the new part arrives....

The rest of the upper frame assembly went without a hitch....Here is the culmination of today's work.....




At first, I was going to do a "custom liner" as I have done with my other models... But after thinking about it, there is really nothing wrong with the liner supplied in the kit. It actually looks quite good. I'll follow their directions and see how it turns out...
06-12-2006 12:30 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Uplink Tom,

I would like to take you up on your offer for some detailed photos...

Can you please PM me ??

Thanx
06-12-2006 09:36 PM
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the Wasp
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Location: Vt

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I have to say that what I like about these Quick helis is they have one of the cleanest and straight-forward linkage systems on the market...

Jim

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06-13-2006 04:05 AM
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Isaac FKey Veteran - Location: Panama Republic of Panama - My Posts This: Topic  Forum
I was checking the Uplink Tom picture and the Juan Rodriguez one and I notice the diference in the frame carbon fiber color.

Can you order this kit in diferent carbon fiber colors?

THX,

Isaac



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06-13-2006 04:59 AM
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Uplink Tom
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Location: State College PA

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Carbon Frame color choices

When I bought it at QWW, Irwin asked if I wanted it in black or silver. The 50sport has black fiberglass- no weave.

Heli's just mock me then crash....
06-13-2006 01:25 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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I was able to spend a little more time last nite to continue the build. Everything is coming together quite nicely without any fitment issues.

A word about the manual...... it comes on CD which in turn is printed out by the builder. The manual is also available on the QWW website. I know that other manufactures are using this approach as it eliminates the very expensive proposition of including a printed manual with each kit. I particularly like the building manual. It is very nicely done to include a LOT of 3D color CAD drawings. Most steps are clearly described, in addition to having the drawing for reference, and the parts needed for each step are itemized for you with each building step. The location (Bag #) of the parts needed for each step is also provided with each building sequence.

All in all, I'm very please in the way things are coming together thus far. Here's where I'm at presently. The upper and lower frame assemblies are ready to come together :


06-14-2006 11:55 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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Did you see the thread that copperclad is doing on the Gas Her ??

Here is the link:

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t256898p1/
06-14-2006 02:37 PM
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gullie667
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Location: Raleigh, NC

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Just to share my thoughts about QWW.

A) Their minium order is like 25$. This sucks.

B) In order to get the part I needed I had to order some stuff I didn't really want but thought might be nice. I bought a couple t fule cut offs. These brand new cutoffs leaked. That sucked too.

C) The Quick 60 / 30 I "had" where very heavy. Might have been OK for FIA but not so much for 3D. I was happy w/ the overall quality.

D) Working on it proved to be a huge pain in my arse. The servos where especialy difficuly to get in and out with out a complete disassembly. Again, this was the older model Quicks. I have no Idea how the newer designs are.

E) The old style head was heavy, a pain to work on, and expensive. I like the new one much better. I have never owned one though.

Gullie

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06-14-2006 06:03 PM
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ant_mb
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Location: Delran NJ

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I thought the web order was limited to a 25 min. I think if you call you can order whatever you need.

Thanks
Anthony
06-14-2006 06:59 PM
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Quick Worldwide
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Location: Coopersburg, PA

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PLEASE READ THE FACTS

Our order on line is 25.00 ....IF YOU CALL NO MIN...wE HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIS...

To Gulie667...If you bought something from us & you find something wrong please return to my attention...we will check & let you know...I have been using these cut off for 20 years & never have any problems..or why make them...

If you check out weights next to any other machine in the market...like our 60 is MORE that 1/2 pound lighter than a Raptor..our 50 is also lighter....Please we have already published on line photo's with various machines ready to fly with digital scales & pictures showing weight details....there are on line...THESE ARE FACTS>>>>BELIEVE IT OR NOT...

Please take a look at the details read the reviews so you can hear facts from you fellow flyers....

Please do your research first....Irwin
06-14-2006 08:07 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

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Canopy....

Hi All,

I didn't get a chance tonite to do any more work on the kit but I did have the opportunity to unwrap the canopy. My plan is to have a friend who is the collision business do a custom paint job on it. He came over tonite for me to help him with some other heli related stuff and so I got a look at the canopy for the first time.

I could not believe my eyes !! This canopy is flawless !! I had read some comments about the canopy from another thread by copperclad and I would have to agree with him 100 %. This canopy among the best quality I have EVER seen !! I have had some experience thanx to a good friend, Mark Smith, in the mould making process and have produced home made canopies. Having done that type of work leaves me with an even better appreciation of the type of work that has been done to produce the canopy that came with my kit. I know that the pic I'm attaching will not do it justice but nevertheless, here it is....

06-15-2006 03:27 AM
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JuanRodriguez
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Work and home chores have prevented me from spending much time in the workshop over the past couple of days but today, I had the opportunity to spend a couple of hours and made some progress...

I can't believe how easily this heli is coming together. I am almost out of parts !! The upper and lower frame assemblies came together very nicely without the need to "fudge" here and there as I've had to do with some other kits.

The clutch bell/start block assembly are high precision. After assembly, there is absolutly NO wobble noticable from the clutch bell.

The fan hub mounts onto the motor using a double collet system which makes it very easy to get the assembly to come together with minimal runout. Mine came out to a very respectable 1/2 a thousand without much effort !!. That, together with the way the clutch bell came out should provide a smooth, vibration free setup....

A word about the clutch itself.... It is larger in diameter and in thickness (surface area) than any other 50 size clutch I have seen. It looks like to me like it belongs on a 60, not a 50. When I push on the shoes, they spring right back into shape immediately. It looks like to me that QWW has had these made out of a high carbon steel. I believe this setup will result in a trouble free clutch system. The clutch bell itself has some "air scoops" machined into the top. I'm sure they are for improved cooling.

The location of the gyro is out of the way and protected against the inevitable "incident"....NICE !

I also like the location of the fuel tank. Many helis tend to be "tail heavy" and the forward mounted tank will help with the final CG of the heli. I'm not sure how many oz of fuel it holds but it looks BIG....

Another thing I like about this kit is the use of the more expensive Nord-Loc washers. Although I have heard of them, I had never seen them used on any heli I have ever owned.

That's all for now....

Here is where I am currently...

06-19-2006 02:19 AM
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