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Mumin
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http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?m...5&newsid=219892

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JNG
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It's always sad to hear this. People out enjoying themselves and end up getting killed. This rc model was over 7' long. Sounds like it went down due to a glitch in the transmitter/recv.




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UPDATE2-Crashing model airplane kills two, hurts three (adds FOUR INJURED, details)


Budapest, May 13 (MTI) - Two people died and four others were injured when a model plane crashed into a crowd of spectators at an international model builders' show at Ocseny Airport, SW Hungary, on Saturday, police reported.

The accident was caused by a 2-2.5 metre-long, remote control model built by a German pilot that went down behind the fence into a group of spectators, organiser Gabor Biro told MTI on site. Two people died, a couple from nearby Szekszard, who had come to see the show with their grown-up children.

Four others were taken to a hospital in Szekszard with slight injuries, the ambulance services said.

It is assumed that the model became uncontrollable due to a technical interference problem, Chairman of the Hungarian Modelling Federation Andor Harmath told MTI.



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rob10000
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Horrible accident.
There is a video from a news report there. It's about 2:30 into the broadcast, after a few commercials...

http://stream.tv2video.hu/asxgen/tv...ek_0513_low.wmv

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w.pasman
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Terrible, two killed in one accident. Bad publicity for our hobby even though it was a plane not a heli.
I don't understand a word of the comments. Someone talking hungarian here?
Looks like the plane went into failsafe.

Standing near RC controlled airplane will always stay risky, especially with such large happenings and crowds where you even can't jump away, Also in such large happenings channel control is even more difficult than normally if possible at all (as the government does not enforce proper use of the channels). He was not on one of the now-babyfone channels (40MHz channel 50 and 51) I hope?
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Aron1
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Hi!

There was an RC happening in Ocsen. (Near to the capital, to
Budapest.) The German pilot Stafan Wurm flied with his 2,5m
Pitts Special.

The pilot and the plane was absolutely professional, and
secure. After few minutes after a knife edge manuover
the radio switched to fail-safe, and crashed to the
visitors. Probably some radio interferrence problem was the problem.

Two people (a middle aged married couple) died.
Now there is an inspection, the pilot is at the police.

There was limited security zone for visitors, and
there was solid radio, and flying rules.

This was an unfortunetly accident.

In hungary the all modeller and the general opinion is shocked, but
nobody thinks the pilot is the faulty.

Here is the video: http://www.hirado.hu/cikk.php?id=116485

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zozie
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Probably some ******* turned a radio on. Europe mostly flys 40MHZ...
They're saying the pilot is one of the best in the world....

No honey I got that used.... MAAC#73745
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Aron1
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"Europe mostly flys 40MHZ"

In Europe the 40Mhz is reserved for cars, and boats.
For helis and planes the reserved range is the 35Mhz.

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zozie
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My mistake....

No honey I got that used.... MAAC#73745
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mike the snake
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That plane may have only had a wingspan of 6 or 7 feet, but it was a Biplane, and THAT was a 30 pound plane!
If that were a monoplane like an Edge or Extra it would have had a 120 inch span, and the biplane in the crash was probably powered by a 120 to 150cc twin gasoline powered engine, easily enough to do a lot more damage than occured.
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w.pasman
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In Europe the 40Mhz is reserved for cars, and boats.
For helis and planes the reserved range is the 35Mhz.


Hmmmm in the Netherlands it is that planes are also using 40MHz. And the 35MHz is used for all kinds of planes even the smallest park flyers and I really would not be surprised if someone who has an airplane Tx would use it for his car too... And as said the government is not enforcing anything it's just playing the ball to the insurance companies, who will just be happy to play the costs further to the consumers = us.

40MHz, particluarly the lowest two channels, are even less save to use in europe as babyfones are now using it... Here (Netherlands) the word goes that a stupid secretary replied to officials, without first consulting her superiors, that the channels were out of use... after which they gave the channels to the babyfone manufacturers
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w.pasman
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Did they do after-crash analysis?
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Its such an unfortunate event.....

Maybe accidents like these will "push" the radio manufacturers to speed up the SS technology.

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Latest news , sorry for the rough translation...


The model flight club Szekszárd had organised past Saturday afternoon a flight show on the large former military airfield Öcsény. As a Stefan W. of the DAeC Luftsport, federation Bavaria association flew his second flight he had a sudden and total loss of control on his aerobatics model Pitts S12 with four-cycle combustion engine (span 2.50 m, approx. 20 kg weight). The fail safe funtion switched on at approximately 20 m height ; driven off by the cross-wind the model flew uncontrolled from the airfield to several hundred meters away into the crowd and impacted there. It broke a panic off; a married couple was killed, four further humans was hurt. The police drove off the unfortunate pilot in handcuffs. Video material was broadcasted over a Hungarian television channel proved that he had flown the fastidious aerobatics program far from the spectators. Only after the loss of the control did the model turn in the crowds direction. Stefan W. was convinced that only a substantial interference resulted in the complete loss of control. This interference was proven free of doubts the following Monday and again on Tuesday morning by the public prosecutor's office. A Hungarian expert and the father of Stefan W, traveled with a scanner from Germany. - Stefan W.' s plane naturally uses 35MHz frequency. The European Radiocommunications Committee recommends all European Union states to reserve it exclusively for model aircrafts. Also Hungary is European Union member.
Overlapping of the frequency however was transmitted by a strong, regional Radio broadcaster in Szekszárd, in particular the channels 61, 62 and 63 were completely disturbed in the change. The plane of Stefan W. works on channel 62. On Monday evening the public prosecutor's office apologized officially with Stefan W. for the unfair treatment and returned his passport. A bail, about which the police wanted to negotiate after provisional release on Sunday, was no more an issue. Which Radio broadcaster it concerns, which switches itself on so suddenly, has not been released by the Hungarian authorities. Stefan W. is a very experienced model pilot, who won prizes with his demonstrations several times „Best OF show “. It was already his third time in Szekszárd . In order to prepare himself for the show, he had traveled one week in advance, and trained the days up to the Flight show. He was conscious that the Hungarian legislation is not a guarantee to unimpaired 35 MHz frequency. Just to protect his valuable model, range tests with a light electrical model belong to his routine prior each flight day. He had not noticed the smallest disturbance during the entire entire week up to Friday afternoon and Saturday where isolated small interferences occured, up to the misfortunate flight. - The flight line of the model flight club Szekszárd held the usual safety routine with the check of the frequencies and the delivery of the transmitters, however no scanner had been used. Gerhard Wöbbeking Member of the executive committee that DAeC sport specialized group Modellflug

Here a picture of the plane , just before his flight, a composite-arf Pitts of 2.6m with a 150cc gasser

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All I can say is how sad that 2 people had to die, thats very freaky. Jimmi





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w.pasman
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Thanks HeliBlades for this extensive update! No problems at all with your english.

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Which Radio broadcaster it concerns, which switches itself on so suddenly, has not been released by the Hungarian authorities.


This is bizarre. First they drag a very-well known flyer off the field as if he is a criminal, then they just give apologies and refuse to give further comments?? We may have only partial information here but as it is now it sounds to me like the Hungarian authorities themselves are responsible for this crash and want to cover it up. For instance, how can a regional radio be on a channel reserved for RC planes?

Is there news about the family behind the missing couple?
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2 Died, how sad, too bad this happened at a family type event.

Makes me wonder if Fail safe is Safe? I rather have a short glitch that you can recover from then get locked out.

That is just too bad, I wish there was more safety involved when they have an event the public can attend. Where are the saftey nets?>

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Makes me wonder if Fail safe is Safe? I rather have a short glitch that you can recover from then get locked out.


If the interference would have stopped at some point, he immediately would have regained control. With PPM (without failsafe) the engine might have gone totally mad just as all rudders. Of course it remains open where it would have ended in that case, but engine off (I hope he had that setting??) reduces the risk anyway and seems the only reasonable choice in case of loss of control..
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Its such an unfortunate event.....

Maybe accidents like these will "push" the radio manufacturers to speed up the SS technology.


Absolutely agree. These large models are fantastic (I'm building one now) but we simply must move on from the ancient LF RF link we've been using for decades. Our outdated transmission schemes are the weakest safety link in the entire hobby, by far.

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Very sad accident indeed. hurts to hear about it.

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w.pasman
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I dont believe SS will solve anything, on contrary this will increase the problems. Many of these devices can be forced or even have to be set to a certain freq manually. If that happens to be the freq that your Tx chose then you will crash. Furthermore the higher frequencies will make much more dependency on line of sight, and also there probably is more absorption by the air. But this is off topic
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