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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600.

Grant H
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Align has not proven to us, quality wise that they are ready for a 50 sized heli.

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I have been so pleased with my Trex to date, that I did not even hesitate to oreder the 600. I know that V1 will be an issue, but as much as I tinker with stuff thats ok for me. Alot of people are saying " why not just buy a raptor 50 nitro" Alot of us don't really want to mess with the nitro birds. I love the ease of electrics and have no plans on getting into nitro.

EXACTLY what my prior posts are takling about...

People are blindly going to follow Align because they have liked the Rex450. Hell, I love the Rex450 but there is NO WAY that I would buy a 50 sized heli from this same company. "so pleased with my Trex to date, that i did not even hesitate to order the 600".
Oh Christ.

In NO WAY has Align proved to us on any level that they are quality wise ready for 50 sized heli.

People are not saying to buy the Nitro Raptor 50, but rather buy the R50 and convert it to the eRaptor 50. You will have a much better, proven a/c right off the bat, or even the new Miniture A/C 50, which is also electric. Both listed helis are of better quality as well,expecially the MA.

People really need to do some research before they "jump" into the Rex 600. I potentially see this as a disaster for Align as well as a lot of unhappy, uninformed customers.

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pinoy
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I guess what Align did was they gave the public the opportunity to enjoy their product in a bigger scale. It might not be for everybody due to cost primarily or flying capabilities but at least they replied to the people that wondered if they can go to the next level. I wouldn't want to question their capabilities of building a 50 size because any given heli out there do have their own flaw or difficulties and just kinda sent out their own revision or upgrade to fix the problem. I don't think there's any heli out there that didn't have to have an upgrade or problem when they first came out so let give it a chance and just be happy that there's a company willing to put up the money to provide a product out there and gamble whether they can sell it or not. I wans't so sold about the micro heli at all when it first came out but my SE been giving more flying time lately for a mere cost of my two 90s. Would I buy the 600?, maybe not, do I like it?, not really sure, I'll wait for more people to say more about it that actually flew it and go from there. just my two cents. Pinoy.

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gpison
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Grant,

First off, don't assume that people are not doing homework here. Your experience with your trex is one thing, mine has apparently been something different. I have had no problems with mine what so ever. I have all align upgrades. The only thing that is not align on my heli is the motor. This is one rock solid helicopter and believe me when I say I am more than rough on it.

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Oh Christ. In NO WAY has Align proved to us on any level that they are quality wise ready for 50 sized heli.

You mean has not proven to you?

I have a garage full of junk heli's but its funny that none of them is a Trex. The popularity of the trex alone will drive sales. How may people have more than one Trex? Everyone I fly with has at least two. That is not an indication of a product that is plauged with design flaws or issues that can't be resolved. I can only speak from personal experience here and so far I have been amazed by this heli.

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05-09-2006 08:54 PM

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Grant H
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The popularity of the trex alone will drive sales

Thats what worries me. People think that the 450 is great, so will be the 600.

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Your experience with your trex is one thing, mine has apparently been something different. I have had no problems with mine what so ever. I have all align upgrades.

I am betting that we have had the same experience as I absolutly LOVE my Rex. I have had a 450X, XL and now it is upgreaded to a SE. All Align parts as well. I have overlooked the quality issues on this heli for 3 reasons. 1 being cost and 2 being convience of this little a/c and 3 the danger factor or lack there of. I have watched and laughed as my little Rex450 explode in the air and fell to the earth all pathetic looking. I can bet that I would be running and taking cover if a 50 sized bird did the same.

But, that doesnt mean that I am going follow a company with these quality issues on a MUCH larger bird thats going to be swigging 600mm blades, vs the tiny 325s that the Rex450 has.

I am just wondering gpison. What other junk helis is your garage full of?

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steve9534
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600

Can we at least wait until it's released before deciding it's a piece of junk? As far as the size issue, it's just exactly what I was looking for, not everyone will have the same needs or desires. steve.

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kookboy
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I wonder how many times I should keep repeating/reposting the same thing over and over and over again.

I own a Raptor 50 converted to an E-Raptor 50.
Runs 600mm blades, same as the Rex600. Same size, same weight, same shape,etc...

It is HUGE and you will need a VERY large park/field to SAFELY fly it in.

When this thing pounds into the ground, you can feel it shake. It is a much more dangerous flying object when compared to a small micro such as my TRex 450.

Batteries, charger, powersupply will run you over $1,000 at LEAST to power it safely in the long run.

$550 X 2 = $1,100 2 batteries equal 14-18 mins flying time.
$280 (charger/balancer)
$150+ (power supply)

= 1,500 + ONLY for the batteries to power it and charge it.
+ servo's
+ gyro
+ tail servo
+ ESC
+ UBec
+ Flight pack
+ Motor
+ Blades / replacements
+ Trex600

add it up.

It's big, dangerous and expensive.

3 words.

That's a fact.

... But honey it was only $$$

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twguns
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I would guess that if you can't afford it then you should pass on getting one... Please however, don't try to downgrade (something that you have personally not tried) to the rest of us that can afford one...

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Vaigod
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believe me when I say I am more than rough on it.

I do believe you.....

Seen it firsthand.

My take on the 600 'Rexy is similar to some of you others. It looks like it has POTENTIAL to be a great bird. However, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon to be the next Align (unpaid/unsponsored) test pilot. By the time I'm ready to afford another heli (2 Rexes, 1 Rappy50), the 600 Rex will be on V3....Then maybe, but until then NO THANKS! I'll just spectate.

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kookboy
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Please however, don't try to downgrade (something that you have personally not tried) to the rest of us that can afford one...

Who's downgrading it ?

I think it's a great thing. More competition for larger heli's means more choices for us, the consumer.

I believe that this specific Align Trex 600 is vastly marketed to Align's current customer-base which is the Trex 450 X/XL/SE who want something larger.

Not being new to larger e-heli's, I do give a strict warning to those who 'think' this will be anywhere close to their current Trex 450 X/XL/SE.

When I made the jump to the 30-50 sized e-heli's, I thought I could fly them anywhere since they're electric and quiet. Well, they're not that quiet and they require a large space to adequately fly in.

There are so many people in my LHS that have never touched an RC heli and went straight to the Align Trex 450 SE on the shelf, which is fine. Good heli, good flyer.

Now, the same type of person who goes into a LHS and sees the Align Trex 600 will grab it up and go out and fly it, not knowing the dangerous object they now wield with their fingers. Just imaging that thing lifting off and then coming back at a new flyer and they don't have the knowledge or reaction time to get away from it.

It will be a great success for Align and I see a lot of great things coming from the Trex600.

But, I really fear for new people getting into this hobby grabbing a Rex600 based on their new or recent learning experience, what others have said about the Trex 450 and just plain and simple "it's electric so it can't hurt anyone" view.

... But honey it was only $$$

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gkoutsis
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I have to agree as well. Align made a big poop with the 600. Maybe it will not have the quality issues the T-rex had when it first come out. But the fact remains that you need deep pockets to keep the heli on the air. Why would I want to spend 1500 dollars for 30mins of underpowered flying when I can fly my 50 nitro all day until my RX pack is drained?

For me its not a matter of money, it a matter of performance and usage and frankly I don't see any real benefits other than the noise and dirt the nitro has.

George

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kookboy
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I have to agree as well. Align made a big poop with the 600.

I don't think it's a big poop. Like I said before, it will be a great success for Align and I see a lot of great things coming from the Trex600.

For many, money will not be an issue with this heli, however...

I really fear for new people getting into this hobby grabbing a Rex600 based on their new or recent learning experience, what others have said about the Trex 450 and just plain and simple "it's electric so it can't hurt anyone" view.

... But honey it was only $$$

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clive45
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I am amazed at how people say"it's not expensive" when on so many threads you hear people saying that the other half will have a fit if they knew how much was being spent on the heli (trex450). I think if you are a good pilot, then the 600 will suit you, if you can afford it. But I think that if I was that good a pilot, I would rather have a gas heli and get a lot more air time etc for the money. I know that electric is nice and easy to pick up and go fly, but like so many have said you need a lot of space. If you have to go to a field to fly the 600 you are not gaining anything, just loosing air time.
I agree that there are those who will think because they fly a trex450 that the 600 is just larger without thinking of the other consequences of the larger more powerful machine and dangers.
I wonder when they start paying for repairs if the $ will hit home.
I was always told " it's not what it cost to buy, but how much it cost to run"
I hope Align get it right and do well. The top fly boys have very good collective management and I think a lot of people will be disapointed with run times and performance. Affording upgrades etc will be costly
Just my 2c

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Professor Fate
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It's not like they know where their problems lie. They just need to insure they don't repeat them. Better yet they don't need to pre-assy anything including the swashplate.

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steve9534
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Kookboy

I've got four 90 size helis now. If you think this is too large and/or dangerous, please feel free not to buy one. As for the cost, I can figure out for myself whether it's worth it to me or not. Thanks. steve.

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I see Align's problem with the 600 as being one of market. The Trex 450 has been a great sucess as it fitted in where there was a huge demand, a small micro heli at a reasonable price, that actually could fly. I suspect Align's sucess was more down to luck, being at the right place at the right time, as apposed to any great market analysis skills

. They may have done their homework on the 600 and know the market well enough but I doubt that. I hope they are not gearing up to sell 1000's of these birds because I'm sure they will be in for a shock. That class/size of heli has a lot of competition from some much better known, tried and tested manufacturers. I am not saying that the 600 would be bad quality....... just that they will find it difficult to compete unless they do something very special with price. Even then, as has been pointed out, the price of the heli is less than the cost of all the gear needed to get it in the air. It sort of takes the market pricing out of the hands of Align. Of course they may come out with their own range of motors and batteries for this heli as they did for the Trex.

A few have commented on safety. I don't believe safety is an issue.... anybody with a bit of sense is gonna realise that a 50 size machine with large spinning blades making a hell of a noise is not safe to stand next to when its in the air. Hell the Trex scares the sh*t out of me when it gets too close

(no doubt a few would prove me wrong, but they would be the exception

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In summary I think the 600 will bomb. I don't believe that Align have done their homework and that they will not achieve the volume of sales needed to turn a decent profit. Would not be surprised to see the 600 dissapear to be replaced by a slight bigger Trex 450

IMHO

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i find it disturbing that no one found it disturbing

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Neil Walker
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Just wondering WTF this topic got closed?

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t256899p1/

I thought it was rather relevant to what lots of people are talking about. Anyway, whatever

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Gazzer
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Very relevant indeed

........ and proves my point nicely.......they have to compete with the big boys when your talking that kinda money

Why WAS the post closed

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airmarshalg
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Kookboy,

Do you have any 90 size experience? Anyway, I fly my 10+ pound 90's (Stratus'

with 710's (~1900+ rpm), my raptor 50's and my t-rex in a small park. I do hard 3-D, however, I don't do it around people or structures. I don't know about huge and shaking the ground. I've unfortunately seen some people die in real aviation accidents and the ground did shake. I've cratered some big models (20-30 lbs.) to 'China' and never felt the ground really shake.

All of these things are toys (unless you're being paid to fly them), however, they're ALL dangerous. If people show up at the park I leave; I've never had a complaint for flying heli's in parks because I'm really conservative with those basic rules. The bottom line is that you can fly these 50's in a pretty small area, it's just how you fly them.

People just have to use common sense and get help with the larger heli's. But that's really never stopped anyone in the past from flying the larger glo heli's.

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I have sat here and read this thread and can not believe the amount of pilots that is against this heli. I can say that I think we all have had words about new pilots getting into this hobby and the danger it has to them and us. I do not care if you buy a small heli or a 90 size heli THEY WILL KILL YOU. I do not care what heli a new pilot gets into they need help and we hope the pilot training them does it right.

I can remember on this site about a pilots training a new pilot and died from it. I hope this does not happen again but the chances of it happen again is good. I see so many pilots that are careless and I have to talk to them about how dangerous this hobby is and not to do some of the stupid stuff they do.

Ok, now that is enough for the safety part of the heli hobby and lets talk about the great job Align has done for us in the heli market.

I can not tell you how many helis have came out with there problems. The way you pilots talk about the Raptor 50 like it does not have its problems. I still here of pilots with the wuff-in-puff problem on the Raptor 50. Do not get me wrong Ace has done a great job at trying to fix their problems as every other hobby company has done.

I have watch Alan Szabo, Danny Szabo, and Eric fly the Trex 600 and they have of yet to have a mechanical problem with them. They are still trying to make them better before market. I know some of you think the Trex 600 setup that they are flying does not have enough power but there is a lot of pilots out there think the 90 size helis do not have enough power. So, the ones that think this is the case will try to get more power in the heli to waste more money. I read so many threads about pilots wanting to change something on the heli and say why does this heli not fly like the pros are like they wanted it to. I say if you would just spend more money on fuel or batteries you will learn to fly the heli like the pros. Do not get me wrong on this to because some of us will never be able to fly like the pros no matter how much fuel or batteries we have to use. That would be like saying that everyone is the same in every way and that is not true.

I know Align will do great in this market of the 600 or 50 size e-heli if they keep the price down and for what I here they are going to sale the parts for this heli cheaper then the Raptor 50 parts. One problem in the electric mark that I see is that there is not a ARF type heli you can buy and fly. Align did that with the Trex and now they are going to do that with the Trex 600. All I can say is good for them.

I here of so many of you buying the Raptor 50 and then converting it to a e-heli. Like I said about not getting the heli from one company. I can buy a Raptor 50 and try to convert it but I am stuck with trying to find the right parts that will last and have been tested together to make sure I will not have the same problem you talk about Align having with the Trex. I can say the converted Raptor 50 is not proved it self yet. In the last 3 years I have only seen 6 of these helis and I go to a lot of fun flies and other fields. I have been to IRCHA with 500 pilots and seen 3 of these helis. This is the same with the logo brand and every other electric heli that has been out. I can see that Align is changing the electric heli market for all of us and we should be happy about it and not attack them for it.

Well that is all I have to say for now.

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