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rdlohr
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where your flying is probably a big area with no folks, dogs or anything else to get in your way

Thats actually why noise is an issue. I fly about 6:45 in the morning before work, and just before dark in the evening to avoid people, dogs, and to some extent, wind.


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05-23-2006 12:15 PM
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rdlohr
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You should not be flying this sized a/c in any type of situtation where people may come into contact with. You really need to be flying the 600 at a deciated flying field or somewhere out in the country where no one is bound to come running across the field to see whats going on.

Point noted! We may have to find a better spot.


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05-23-2006 12:16 PM
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rerazor
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Everyone calm down, there will be great deals in the classified section very soon.

Note: Not everyone flys at a club or needs to have more than one set of $200 eMoli batterys. I drive down the road and fly in huge corn/soy bean fields all by myself for 7-8 mins. I then go home and plug in my $100 Astro 109 charger with a $25 balancer (thats hardly needed). I can keep my Helis in my house and they don't ever smell etc......

Unless your worried about people hurting themselves, over-populating the world with 50 size helis or just giving Helis a bad "rap" why care??

IMHO, I think Align's owner wants to build a high end heli because he can.
05-23-2006 02:06 PM
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Hoverdown3K
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Lots of good points in this thread, I know many have stated that the T600 will not do that well in sales and I have to agree.

There are still costs outside of lipos and Emoli cells.

Spare parts will still be $$ and main blades will cost allot more then the T-Rex 400 size chopper. Even blade grips, will be $$.

Larger chopper means no spooling up on the driveway for some yard flying. I doubt many realize how big a T-Rex 600 will be... That chopper is swinging some long main blades for a very large diameter disc!

No way to test fly the T-600 around the house!

Align!!! I want a .30 sized T-Rex!!!

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-
05-23-2006 02:20 PM
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Grant H
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Align!!! I want a .30 sized T-Rex!!!


I want a .15 sized heli Align. Its too bad that I had to spend $600 on the Lepton to get what I want..
05-23-2006 02:30 PM
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rdlohr
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Lots of good points in this thread, I know many have stated that the T600 will not do that well in sales and I have to agree

Time will tell this one. Should be interesting.


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05-23-2006 03:06 PM
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Hoverdown3K
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Yeah even a .15 sized would be great, I can only jump so far!

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05-23-2006 04:28 PM
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bugsb
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funny that
e-sky are bringing out a 15 size heli it is abit over due
but maybe it could be converted to electric
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05-23-2006 04:39 PM
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primalchrome
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Is that for real..... 500 cycles and batteries are US$250? I've just screwed one of my Lipo's after only 10 cycles by discharging too much


No, it's not for real. That price/cycle life is laughable. Whereas a nitro engine can take a crash, a monster underslung pack of lipos is going to get a dent or puncture.....which means that it should be soaked and retired. There are a few (a VERY few) people that have enough intelligence and experience to seperate and rebuild LiPo packs if only a few cells are damaged.

Everyone is looking forward to larger eHelis....and they are currently an option for a number of enterprising individuals with either large bankrolls or tinkerer mindsets. Mainstream RC? Not until the eflight-centric eMoli packs/chargers are widely available.

Same thing with the 40% electric Yaks or Edges.... Very cool....but only for early adopters.
05-23-2006 04:43 PM
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rockier
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A park might not be the greatest place for one of these. Too many times have I been flying my Rex in a part to have a kid right across the park on a bike or similar, only to have to land and wait for the all clear again.



I read a lot of pilots flying their heli in parks and I do not care what size the heli is that is not good.

Parks are for people not RC's.

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I think on your earlier post you stated that you would be buying a Trex600. Would you consider the new TT e-50 instead? If not why not? Given it's from a very well known manufacturer of the most popular nitro heli in the history of nitro helis.....is it worth to consider?



Just because a company has proven there self s in the nitro market does not mean they are proven in the electric market. The electric heli is a lot different in the power source. I have seen a lot of pilots try to convert the Raptor 50 to electric and very few has made it work right. I have seen some pilots try to convert other helis to electric to and I have not seen one of them work great ether.

If you can remember that the companies that have came out with a electric version of there machine. None of them take one of there machines and just convert.

Examples: Miniature, Century, and JR. These are a few I know that has made them work and the machines are new not a model they had and converted.

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05-23-2006 05:38 PM
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kookboy
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BATTERY COST AND REALISTIC FLIGHT TIMES

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The same size e-heli makes 500 flights on these here Lipos, which cost $250.



wrong wrong wrong wrong .......


I have an e-Raptor 50 swinging 600mm blades running a TP PL 10S2P 4200 on a Neu 1912-1.5y which is a very efficient motor on a CC45HV.

This is a very smooth, safe and 3D capable setup for any stick banger. I consider myself to still be a beginner and my flying is more like an ugly 3D style.

With the Thunder Power Prolite 10S2P 4200 ($550), I can fly a T-Rex 600 just like the Raptor 50. Same weight, same blades, same HS.

Just for kicks, I put a Thunder Power PL 6S2P 4200 pack that had around 60 cycles through it on the e-Raptor.

After 3 flights the lipo puffed and now it's toast.

That is a realistic real-world figure coming from an average flyer.

I'm not a pro and do not have the collective managment skills to fly my Raptor 50 with a TP PL 6S2P 4200 without stressing out the pack.

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Now I have no idea on the accuracy of this statement, I have not done my home work so shoot me down if I'm wrong. I am also not familiar with the emoli cells being discussed. With batteries still costing this much do we really see this class of heli flying of the shelves? I can accept that the prices will continue to fall, but with the Trex 600 due to hit the stores soon these prices are still valid! How many cells would you realistically need for a days flying?


Gazzer,

I cannot see the prices of lipo's dropping so significantly that the 50 size heli's will be affordable.

Look at it this way, if a 10S2P 4200 is $550 right now, and a TP PL 3S1P 2100 is $65, then with that math, cut the 10S2P in half and the 2100's will be $30 ? I can't see that happening.

I have two Thunder Power Prolite 10S2P 4200's for my Raptor 50 that gives me about 8mins of flight time each.

That is a real figure.

$1,100 of lipo's for 16-18 mins of flight.

Now, you have the cells by Moli Energy.

I have a set of those as well. I'm running two 6S1P 3000 moli packs in the Raptor. One pack up front and one below where the tank used to be inside the frame. And using a 2S1P moli pack to run the rx/servo's,etc..

That nets me about 5-6 mins of flight time.

Those are much more affordable by far.

7S1P 3000 Milwaukee v28 pack on ebay approx price $ 100 / pack.

Four packs = $400.

So, roughly 1/3rd the cost of the TP Prolite's.

That is good IMO.

... But honey it was only $$$
05-23-2006 05:46 PM
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cudaboy_71
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I can't see that happening.



i can.

5 years ago i paid $500 for a 40gb drive.

15 years ago i paid $500 for a 1gb drive.

yesterday i paid $90 for a 300gb drive.


go ahead and poke holes in the analogy. point is technology is technology and progress and demand drive prices down.

can i give you a date when battery technology will be 'affordable'? no.

but, i can see it happening.

if it ain't broke…break it.
05-23-2006 05:52 PM
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kookboy
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I should've been more specific.

I can't see lipo prices being cut in half in the near future.

Why would they ?

People are buying them.

The one viable alternative now are the moli cells.

Or you can just get a Swift . 30 sized heli that's cheaper than the Rex 450 for parts.

Crashes nice too

http://media.putfile.com/you-cant-g...ser-to-crashing



... But honey it was only $$$
05-23-2006 06:12 PM
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Grant H
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I dont think that we are going to see a drastic price drop in the next 1-2 years on lipo batteries. I dont have anything to base that statement, but its just what my gut instinct is telling me.
Sure, I hope that they will come down, but lets be releastic there not going to. They will just keep comming out with better and better batteries and keep sticking it to the consumers as long as they can get away with it. I think that the best bet is going to be the moil pack. Moil packs are going to be the way that lipos come down in price. They are just starting to catch on. Only a month ago did I hear about these packs, but now am hearing much more about them. People will catch on (hopefully) and so will the lipo manufatures.
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cudaboy_71
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Why would they ?

People are buying them.



simple supply and demand will take care of that. if they are in plentiful enough supply, the nature of a free market will drive the price down.

keeping the price artificially high because demand is high is called a trust. trusts are illegal (ask microsoft).

if it ain't broke…break it.
05-23-2006 08:55 PM
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Hutu
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Hi.

I buy lipos at half the price in www.himodel.com. Maybe they don't have the same power as other more espensive lipos, but they give me power enough to have lots of fun with my Rex.

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05-23-2006 10:21 PM
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Gazzer
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Just because a company has proven there self s in the nitro market does not mean they are proven in the electric market. The electric heli is a lot different in the power source. I have seen a lot of pilots try to convert the Raptor 50 to electric and very few has made it work right. I have seen some pilots try to convert other helis to electric to and I have not seen one of them work great ether.

If you can remember that the companies that have came out with a electric version of there machine. None of them take one of there machines and just convert.

Examples: Miniature, Century, and JR. These are a few I know that has made them work and the machines are new not a model they had and converted.



In a broad sense you are right. I made my comment without having even seen a picture of the TT-e-heli. See the following link which now has some pictures up.

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t257574p1/

From this I see a different frame and gear set. What looks the same are the head, skids, boom, and tail. So for TT I should say they have to develop a frame set & gears that would be 100% new production. Everything else looks pretty much standard TT parts (maybe I'm wrong but looks that way). For Align they had to start from the ground up... everything is new (and untested ). So I think my argument still stands that Align will need far more sales of their heli to recoup what they have spent on development.
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kookboy
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Just because a company has proven there self s in the nitro market does not mean they are proven in the electric market. The electric heli is a lot different in the power source. I have seen a lot of pilots try to convert the Raptor 50 to electric and very few has made it work right. I have seen some pilots try to convert other helis to electric to and I have not seen one of them work great ether.


If you have not seen any work great, then either you're not looking hard enough or they aren't setup properly.

Everyone I know including myself who has an e-Raptor 50 loves them and they all work great. More than great actually.

Kicks the pants off my glow Raptor 50.

www.tppacks.com

Go there and for $220 you can get the motor/gears/eCCPM kit which shaves off a LOT of weight off the stock frame.

... But honey it was only $$$
05-24-2006 01:09 AM
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cyclicpitcher
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Its all good...

Don't understand the point that someone who started with a TREX will somehow be unable to move to a 50 size heli. A trex will cut your fingers off, you dont hear of any lost fingers because there are so many beginners out there with a trex. I started with a Raptor 30, I knew from the second I got it home that it was to be respected, just like my lawnmower, my drill, my chainsaw, my car, ect, ect Even a first time Blade CP owner will know you dont stick your hand to the spinning blades.

So a beginner who has some hovering on a TREX gets a 600 within seconds of ownership, 99 percent will know to get help and go out to the local flying field to do this hobby.

Electric is the future, in the next 10 years its going to be awsome. The sound of electric is scale, turbine like, you can hear the blades beating the air. Team up Century Helis scale glass fuselages with some electrics and you got my dreams come true. My Nitro scale twin star spews smoke and screams like a banshee. Only a true heli person enjoys it, but change it to clean smokeless flight with sound not to loud, and realistic to what the average person sees in a helicopter and you have something that will amaze the average viewer. To me that promotes acceptance of this hobby. Whats this hobby needs is a promotion of scale flight. Contests that use scale electrics judging smooth controlled realisic flight. Everytime I show a video of 3D to a non helicopter fan, they say whats wrong with it? looks like a misquito on acid. Demos of 3d skills will always be with us they push the limits and expand the hobby, but flying skills to me is a smooth landing that looks like a big ship.
50 size is stable, resistant to wind and much easier to fly, big enough to get some distance between the pilot and aircraft. Slap on a Jetranger body and some smaller lighter more powerful battery designs and I will be there.

www.funscale.com
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In retrospect, time has told the tale. The 600 rocks in both electric and nitro formats!

Rick


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