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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600.
 
 
Grant H
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Location: No where right now....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I think that Align really screwed up by jumping all the way up to an electric 50 sized heli for a couple of reasons.

One of the big reasons I feel this way is because I dont think that the market is ready for 50 sized electric helis. Batteries still cost way to much.

Another reason is that they put themselves in a pretty big category. What I mean by this is that now they are competing with the eRaptor 50 and other a/c like the new MA 50 sized a/c. How do they expect to compete with these guys?

I think that the next logical step for Align would have been a mid sized bird such as the Lepton. Personally I am going to buy a Lepton right off the bat as it is the perfect step from an electric point of view, mostly because the batteries out there wont cost you an arm and leg. I have been waiting for an a/c like this since the T-Rex debut.

Personally, I think that the Rex600 isnt going to be that big of a hit.

Good luck Align, cause you are going to need it.
05-09-2006 05:17 PM
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Awamori
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Location: Okinawa, Japan

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hate to admit it but I agree with you. ALIGN will make their mark but if I had the cash I would go with the Raptor "Titan" 50. I mean your going to need the space so might as well be a gasser. Just imagine the feeling of nosing in the new 600 only to damage the cells. To rich for my blood. Chances are your going to damage more than just the cells too.
05-09-2006 05:27 PM
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AV8TOR
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Location: Central Ohio

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I agree as well. I know many will get it but not even close to what they have with the 450 size. They should have gone 30 size first.
05-09-2006 05:29 PM
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Hoverdown3K
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Location: Rochester, New York

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Align will make the T-Rex 600, but it is too large for most of the people here.

The ESC along with motor and Lipos will make short work of hobby money.

They should have came out with something slightly larger the the current T-Rex 450XL, like something the size of a JR Voyager or Lepton.

I wonder why they didn't poll the current users to see what the next one should have been

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-
05-09-2006 05:56 PM
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jh4db536
Senior Heliman
Location: Monterey Park, California

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i thought v28 packs are the loophole to a larger Eheli?

im sure itll come down in price eventually...

then with castle's new software, the HV esc's should make the esc market more competitive (once they catch up on production).
05-09-2006 05:57 PM
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Hoverdown3K
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Location: Rochester, New York

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		They are OK, but there is still alot of things you needs for a 600 Sized chopper besides lipos or E-Moli

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05-09-2006 05:58 PM
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bugsb
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Location: rothwell//northants UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i think as well that thay have gone to far around a 30 size would be just nice
sorry to say that if i had the choice of buying a t-rex600 or a raptor etc i would not buy the trex600
plus are there going to be the same problems with the 600 as we all had with the early trex450x
and waiting for the 600v2 with all the problems solved
Ron
05-09-2006 06:12 PM
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Grant H
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They are OK, but there is still alot of things you needs for a 600 Sized chopper besides lipos or E-Moli


I dont mind forking out some loot on other items needed. Its the batteries that make me shutter!!
05-09-2006 06:25 PM
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oldboldpilot
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Location: Southern California

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		If one wants to fly aggressive aerobatics, a 50-sized is going to need 2 HP worth of motor and batteries, period.

Demo flights by sponsored pilots have made the '600 look pretty good, but you can see it is quite underpowered as set up for the hard 3-D these guys fly.

However, sport fliers will be happy with this set-up, and that's the core group of Align customers, don't you think?

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05-09-2006 07:11 PM
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Ozydego
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Location: Westerville, Ohio

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I wonder why they didn't poll the current users to see what the next one should have been


If align would have ever polled its users, they would have jumped to the SE V2 a lot sooner, made a good swash a lot sooner, and a better tail sooner. I think that's Aligns main problem.... They don't listen to their customers... They just have designers that look for something cool to do, then send it out to test it...

I would definitely go with an E-raptor for a 600 size heli... its been tested a whole heckuva lot more....

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....
05-09-2006 07:12 PM
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Darthdrk
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Location: Munford, Tn

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I Think the reason the T-rex is such a hit is because of its size. After a day of work or at a moment of leisure, You can take your Rex out to the local park or your backyard. The bigger the heli the more room your going to need. I myself also think Align goofed with the 600. Who knows, it may pan out but there are already the E-raptor or Raptor converted to electric and also a few hawks around being converted to electric. If it is basically the same as these I think the competition would be a little to much. Really to only thing I see that could give a heli an edge in this size is pricing and avability of parts but mostly pricing. Buying large enough batteries are going to cost as much or more as the heli itself. Yep, I think the targeted size should have been a .15-.25 E-heli.
05-09-2006 07:21 PM
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kookboy
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Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yep.

I need a HUGE park/field to fly my Raptor 50 compared to my Rex.

People who buy the Rex600 will have their eyeballs shoot out of their sockets the first time they spool it up in front of them.

All heli's are dangerous, but these large one's... sh*t .. you can do some SERIOUS damage as opposed to a smaller Rex.

I think there will be some serious mistakes made by people flying the 600 for the first time, the main one being lack of space required.

I hope to god there won't be any fatal/body chopping accidents.

With that said, yes I agree. A Lepton sized heli would have been a much 'safer' bet for Align, but then again, I think many will buy the 600. Probably even before they buy their charger/power supply/batteries and then realize that it will cost another grand ontop of what they originally thought.

... But honey it was only $$$
05-09-2006 07:29 PM
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Grant H
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Location: No where right now....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		As posted in another thread as well, I also think that people really dont have a clue for what its going to take money wise to fly one of these babies.

I also think that a lot of people (myself included at one point), were kinda riding off the pricipals of the Rex 450. Cheap little a/c with every thing being relative cheap. Not so the case with the 600.

Maybe we should start calling it the "T-Rex 50" instead of 600, cause then I think that more people will actually get the picture, that this is a 50 sized a/c and its gonna cost ya..

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05-09-2006 07:31 PM
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Hummingbird3D
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Location: California

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I've seen the Logo 10 next to the Align 600 and the Logo isn't that much smaller. The fact that the Logo has been around for awhile and well, I think this is a good way to branch out. A lot of the hop-up that you would need are there, and I suppose much of the beta testing has already past. I'm having a hoot with mine and it didn't cost and arm and a leg, just an arm and some other appendage.

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05-09-2006 07:53 PM
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helibird
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Location: St. George, UT

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I think we will all be surprised about how well it does do. I personally wouldn't buy one but a lot of people probably will. I'm not saying that it is going to knock TT or hirobo out but I think it will do reasonably well.

The main reason I believe is because of the market the TREX and other small electrics have created. There is a whole group of flyers, that are comming into helis without ever even seeing a nitro and when they do the smoke and noise is intimidating to them. I live in a smaller town and I always thought there was about 6 heli pilots but everytime I'm in the hobby shop there is someone buying trex parts due to a crash. I'll bet you there is 10-15 people flying trex and blade cp's. I don't want to call it ignorance but alot of them will simply step up to the rex600 because they don't know better products are out there. The scary thing is most of them will take there rex600's out to the same public parks they fly there trex's.
05-09-2006 07:59 PM
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gpison
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Location: Boca Raton, Fl

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Already pre-ordered mine....

I have been so pleased with my Trex to date, that I did not even hesitate to oreder the 600. I know that V1 will be an issue, but as much as I tinker with stuff thats ok for me. Alot of people are saying " why not just buy a raptor 50 nitro" Alot of us don't really want to mess with the nitro birds. I love the ease of electrics and have no plans on getting into nitro.

The price came in a little higher than I expected but i think that it is still reasonable for the CF kit with motor and ESC.

A bad day of flying is always better than a good day at work!
05-09-2006 08:01 PM
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jcrack_corn
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Location: End of Time

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		ZOIKS!

05-09-2006 08:05 PM
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rerazor
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Location: Mich.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Appox power option

Hacker A50 =$150
CC HV45 = $130
V28s batterys (you get 14 cells will only use 10-12s)=$200
$480 is not bad for a killer power setup in a 50size bird.

Then of course like any heli you will need servos/gyro/Rx/ubec etc.. that only cost a little more vs. a Trex SE.


Its a 50 size heli, the way you choose to define cheap/affordable varies with each person.

I'll wait until Trex600 is out for awhile. I'll also check the new MA50 out and keep an eye on the Raptor 50 conversions that have shown some good promise.
05-09-2006 08:10 PM
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Professor Fate
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Location: Goose Creek S.C.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I wonder how long it will take someone to slip a nitro engine in one?

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05-09-2006 08:12 PM
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Hellijunky
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Location: Chicago

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		here is a post i defiantly agree with,align should have made the ultimate micro before they tried to get into the 50 size market,they never did first it was the v-1 lots of fun but lots of problems to,same thing with the v-2,then they came out with the HDE and CDE models, i will never forget thinking how cool it was that align was including metal cases with the HDE and CDE kits,only to find out that the fully assembled heli didnt come anywhere near fitting inside the case,as soon as i found that out i decided to wait and i was glad i did heard nothing but complaints about both, everything from swashes coming apart
to canope.s not fitting right...lol then the SE came out i thought about getting one right away but i didnt and again i am glad i didnt dont get me wrong i love my t-rex
i found a setup that works good for me, but then again none of my upgrades are made by align ,but that is not to say i didnt try align upgrades i bought
a rotor head that was drilled .50 out of center there was no way to get it to track right lol, the problems are not just hardware upgrades also the align esc.s and motors have had allot of quality issues to,ALIGNS fine for micro.s but unless you got allot of cash to burn i would hold up on a 600 for awhile you might be glad you did,on another post i got blown out of the water for trying to compare my new raptor 50 i just bought used for 800 bucks to the 600, i dont know about the 600 but this rapy 50 is one powerful SOB compared to my rex its like flying a bus , I thought i was going to get more flight time out of the 50...but guess what..it sucks a tank dry in 8 min flat lol fff at 10 feet is something to behold with this thing though lol
05-09-2006 08:19 PM
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