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e-Century Hummingbird - Swift > SWIFT 'set-up' Thread
 
 
genovia
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Setup to this Swift Video:

550mm Rotortech
6S1P Flight Power EVO
Century Outrunner 600 Plus
9T Pinion
Century Electron 80/100 ESC
Futaba 401
04-25-2006 Over year old.
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h2jringo
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Flight time

Genovia
What is average flight time you think without 3d on this combo
Also is there any diff in outrunner 600 and outrunner 600 plus or what does plus mean.. And I gather no BEC required with the 80 amp controller Im fixing to order this stuff from you guys. I got a Predator from you about three weeks ago still building but just have to have electric too.
Plan on using this setup for AP work with a little cannon camera will 4 cell be enough or should I go with the 6

Thanks JIm

Stay frosty
04-27-2006 Over year old.
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rickyblaze
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Location: Bloomington Indiana

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ESC: CC60 , UBEC 35v
motor: Neu 1910-1y
pinion: 13t
Battery: 13cell 3300nihm, headspeed:1900-2000 @ 90%
Battery: 12cell 3300nihm, headspeed:1800-1900 @ 90%
Battery: 4s3p lipo for 6300mah, headspeed:2000-2100 @ 85% on Tx
Blades: stock
Paddles: stock with three wheel collars on each side
Flight Time: nihms-6 minutes Lipos over 10minutes but had to stop during test

If you already have any 12 cell nihm or 4s packs this motor is a must. Very good power with the 12cell great power with the 13cell and really nice on lipos. The 13cell nihms remind me of the 4s lipos in my Logo with the B50-13l as far as power and maybe a little stronger. I was wanting a motor with good power on these cells and found it
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rfaster
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Location: San Jose, CA

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ESC: Jazz 55
Motor: Neu 1910 1.5Y
Receiver: 3G PCM 2048
Radio: Futaba 14MZ
Pinion: 10 (conservative)
Battery: Emoli 7SP used in Bump Pack Config
Head Speed: Est - 1900
Blades: Stock Woodies
Paddles: Heavy Century - with weights (Genovia sold them to me :-)
Flight Duration per type of flying...
Hover: 8 + ( left at 8 and put 1500 back into bat's)
Mild-Average: Not there yet
3D: Not So Much.

Comments: Well I ran this setup for the first time today and it felt very consistant - head speed was pleanty for hovering and tail in fwd flight - up-down's etc... I flew for 8 minutes on each pack and they were slightly warm. My goal is to goto 550's and a 11 tooth pinion and perhaps 10 cell Emoli's. Like everyone says the Jazz 55 is great - the govenor mode really seems to work and programming could not be easier.
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kookboy
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TTT

... But honey it was only $$$
05-08-2006 Over year old.
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trevorz
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Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

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ESC Century 455
6S Tanic 3650 Battery
Neu 1907-1.5Y
10 tooth pinion
530 Funkey blades.
Head speed ~ 1950 to ~2000
Futaba 9202 servos for cyclic
Futaba 401 with 9253 for tail
2S 700mAH lipo for the Rx with 5V reg.

Flight time over 7 minutes (have not really pushed it more) of 3D.
This is a good setup with really good power (IMO), and decent flight time. Will be going to the 7S e-moli setup with a CC45HV.

REALLY happy with this machine.
05-08-2006 Over year old.
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willie evans
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Location: Alberta, Canada

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esc 55-10-32
motor NEU 1907-1.5Y
10 tooth pinion
Blades 515 carbon helimax
TP6s2p 4000mah
gyro 401-9254
TT green paddles
pitch +10-10
Head Speed 2000 8mins sport flying 6.5 mins bashing.
esc/batt/motor only warm to touch.


I had to put the boom supports on top, hooked to main frame. And used seprate 1000mah batt for reciever as wieght was needed in front to balance.

I also had the 45-10 motor that could turn the head ALOT faster on same pinion 2200+ too fast for this plastic helli to handle.

Would not buy this heli again as poor quality for longevity with my stick banging style, great as starter heli.
This set up will work in all other 30/50 size e-heli when ready to move up.
05-11-2006 Over year old.
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stpeteheli
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL

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ESC: CC45HV
Motor: CEN600
Pinion: 14T
Battery: 7S Emoli
Head Speed: 1850 just before hover (still setting up heli)
Blades: stock wood
Flight Duration per type of flying...
Hover: ?
Mild-Average: ?
3D: not yet

Comments: Just finished build and first flight. Still tweaking and testing
05-26-2006 Over year old.
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h2jringo
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Location: Redmond Oregon

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stpete

You got the same setup Im doing but I heard 14T to much gear and headspeed so I got a 10T and 12T coming hope I didnt go wrong here.

Let us know the duration as soon as you get it

Stay frosty
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GyroFreak
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Location: Florida ... 28° 52' N 81° 16' W

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Century Swift

ESC: Electron 55/70A then Electron 80/100A
Motor: Lightning 600 Outrrunner
Pinion: 14
Battery: 6S Lipo 3700mah
Head Speed:
Blades: Stock 520 mm
Flight Duration per type of flying... 2 mins hovering
Hover: 2 mins
Mild-Average:
3D:

Comments:
Hovering time was 2 mins because both esc burned up. Do not run this combo at any throttle curve less than 100% for more than a few secs, I learned the hard way, and Century spec sheet that comes with esc does not warn you about this. I'm still discussing this with Century since this was a combo pkg from them. (I also bought the 80/100A figuring this would handle the loads easily, WRONG ! Live and learn..

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litespeed600
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That is brutal!!!

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Flight Duration per type of flying... 2 mins hovering


LMAO That sux! Don't mean to laugh but the way you worded it.....

The stock blades are 520mm measured from the center of the bolt hote to the tip of the blade. Or are you useing a stock wooden 550 blade from another helicopter?

Tom

I'm married so you know I am no stranger to pain!
05-29-2006 Over year old.
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GyroFreak
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litespeed600
Sorry, I meant stock 520mm. I'll have to edit that one. Thanks..

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oldfart
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nextstepheli,

I think the key to your ESC burning problem is the gearing relative to the KV of the motor and the voltage of a 6s Lipo pack.

Century and most other reputable manufacturers, give the KV rating of their motors so that you can match the head speed to the voltage (battery pack)you plan to use.

In your case, the motor has a KV of 715, that means for every Volt, you will get 715 shaft rpm. On a 6 cell pack, you have 22.2V x 715 = 15873 rpm.

Your main gear on the Swift has 96T, so a 14T pinion would give you a 6.85 ratio. That means your motor would be trying its' best to swing your mainrotor at 15,873/6.85 = 2317! So even at hover pitch, the wattage required to turn at that head speed would certainly cause something to heat up and burn. In this case it seems to be your ESC. The 14T pinion is for use with the 4S pack not the 6S.

With the 6S pack you will want to use either a 12 (ratio of 8:1) for a rotor speed of 1983 or an maybe even better, an 11T pinion (ratio of 8.73)which will give you more reasonable rotor speed of 1818.

The way you are setting it up the current your blade/rotor speed load is asking from your motor, batteryESC combo is far beyond their design spec.!!!!

The 455 speed control will work fine with a 6 cell Lipo, but not with a 14T pinion!!!!

No wonder you are getting such short flight times
05-30-2006 Over year old.
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rotormaniac
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Location: West Virginia

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ESC Phoneix 80
Motor NEU 1907 1.5Y
Pinion 10T
Blades 520 stock
Paddles KSJ
Head speed ?
Servos Futaba 3151's
Gyro Futaba GY 401
Battery TP 4200 6S2P Prolite
Flight time 8 minutes
Mild 3D

Will be changing blades to 530 NHP's
Will post my headspeed.
Love it so far.
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hansking12
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Location: irvine, ca

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???

I don't know what you all are sneezing about??? I have been flying the exact setup for months. At least 7 packs a week 6s1p 3700mah (wicked hard 3D). I get 5 min with 300mah to spare. Never had any problems you are speaking of. You're all trip'in...hmmmmm
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GyroFreak
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Location: Florida ... 28° 52' N 81° 16' W

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To OLDFART

Pinion Gear

Your calculations certianly make sense, but the 14 tooth pinion was supllied by Century with the 6 cell lipo and 715 Kv motor and the Century 55/70A ESC as a package called Swift Combo 2. Thats why I bought it since I figured Century should know what they have designed. Also Swift_Tuning.com web site has a calculation for pinion and it also shows 14 tooth for the 6 cell with 715 Kv motor. Somewhere out here in chopper land there must be the right answer but even so the ESC data sheet states it's overheat protected. Any way thanks for trying to help.
Sorry Century, I think I will really like this chopper once we get this ironed out.

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05-30-2006 Over year old.
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Adam Turner
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Hi Guys

I have been using the Swift with the Outrunner 600 and 14T on 6s EVO30 packs, for some time. I use 535mm blades now but in this video I used 515 NHP's.

http://www.flightpower.co.uk/clubma...amTurnerC3D.wmv

As you can see nothing got hot here (except the flying!!! lol)

The ESC I use is a Castle Creations-Phoenix 60 and run a 80% curve in Governor mode2. I did try 100% this was serious power, but I found the head speed dropped down a bit, in hard hard 3D.

The calculation below would be correct, but you must take into consideration efficiency of the motor, which is 85% so the head speed is about 2100.

Good luck with your setup.

Adam Turner

www.adsheli.com, KASAMA Team, V-blades, Spectrum, CSM
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GyroFreak
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Future__SE

Now that is some serious flying. Thanks for that demo of what the Swift can do and that answers any question about the 14 tooth pinion being ok with the lightning 600 motor as supplied by Century. As a newbie I'll try to keep the skids down and the rotors out of the ground for now!

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oldfart
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Yep, I think the 600 may well work with the 14T and 6S - but note that Adam was using the CC60 speed controller. I am not sure if the 455 will be able to take the power required through it at those RPM's is what I was refering to.

Great flying as usual Adam
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h2jringo
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Excellent flying Future_SE

And oH great I just ordered a set of 530 himax lol

Stay frosty
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