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50feet
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So mentioned I picked up one of these right.... Well yestarday I was setting up the pitch and the head binds where there is no flybar movement at - 10. I was reading the manual and it seems like there are mistakes. It says the mixing arms rods should be 102 mm long and there is no way this can be done. So then I flip back to the head build section and if said to flip the grips and mixing arms for 3D. I had the same issue with an eco 8 before. To fix it you had to move the mixing arms out to the ends of the the grips as well as flip them.


Can some one tell me how they have thier head set up to reach +/- 10, 11

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02-23-2006 01:54 PM
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The best palce to start for setup on the control system of a Bergen Intrepid is at the servos.

With the servos plugged in and powered, center all of the controls, including the collective. Make sure the pitch curve is also "zeroed out" meaning a straight line from 0 to 100. All subtrime are zeroed, sliders and rotory knobs are inhibited.

From the collective servo to the triple bellcrank, make sure the rods are exactly the same length and the long balls of the bellcrank are lined up perfectly in the vertical plane.

From there move to the collective arms (popsicle sticks), adjust both linkages so that these arms are perfectly horizontal, and that both linkages are exactly the same length.

more to follow....

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02-23-2006 02:14 PM
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Is the 3D staccked frame upgrade no longer sold?

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02-23-2006 03:08 PM
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http://runryder.com/helicopter/t237112p1/

It's no longer advertised, no.

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02-23-2006 03:13 PM
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What I meant was can I buy the parts to make my narrow frame heli in to the stack framed version.

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02-23-2006 03:36 PM
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I got ya. The 3D60 frame set was considered the "upgrade". That's what had me confused.

We of course have all the parts for the stacked frame birds as they are still being advertised for sale.

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02-23-2006 04:51 PM
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Continuing the head setup,

The 4 linkages going up to the swashplate need to be the same lengths, On mine they are set at 57mm.

Above the swashplate you have the washout hub and washout arms. These should be level, parallel to each other flat to the horizon, however you want to put it. Adjust this with the linkage between the washout arm and the flybar arm.

The next object of concern are the flybar arms, which on your model, should be slightly angled downward to prevent hitting the bottom of the blade grips. Just a few degrees is plenty, as long as the angle is the same on both, and the paddles are level to the horizon and each other.

Next up the line are the bell mixer arms, and again are level to the horizon and to each other. Ther are two possible ways to adjust this, the short linkage to the seesaw, or the long one to the swashplate. Make sure that both sets of linkages are the same length.

All of these things being level and even with each other is with the pitch on the blades at 0 degrees.

If you are getting more positive pitch than negative (+12-10 for instance), then lengthen the 4 linkages going up to the swashplate, raising it slightly, then resetting everything for level at 0 degrees.


Vice versa if you have more negative than positive.

Hope this helps.

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02-23-2006 10:31 PM
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Thanks...

Every thing is level with +/- 10, zero center stick... But the defections not there at the bottom

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02-24-2006 03:31 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean, "But the defections not there at the bottom"?

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02-24-2006 04:23 AM
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I mean you can tilt the flybar almost to the boom at mid stick but it only move an inch or so like its binding at neg 10

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02-24-2006 04:46 AM
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see

Max at -10




Max above - 5



It feels like its binding the mixing arms at the - 10

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02-24-2006 04:56 AM
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Can you take the pics a little lower, looking at the head underneath the blades.

And show the bell mixers that are on the pitch arms of the blade grips.

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02-24-2006 05:13 AM
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Can you see where anything is hitting, like the swashplate bottoming out on the upper mainshaft bearing block?

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02-24-2006 05:14 AM
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Nothing is hitting...

When the swash is low the mixing arms cant move because the short double link and the long rod are pulled down and cant move up.

The manual says the links from the swash to the mixig arms should be 102 mm but the links on this heli are not long enough. May be they are not the correct links? longer links would solve the problem.



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02-24-2006 05:36 AM
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No...

Should it be?

Buddy may I ask the length of your links above tbe swash?



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02-25-2006 03:47 AM
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Okay...

I got it set up so it will move but now everything is 5 degrees high. I cant lower the swash becuase it will hit. plus the links on the A arms are as low as the can go.

I may have to raise the swash and shorten the links above the swash.

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02-25-2006 05:11 AM
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Could you post a picture at zero degrees of pitch with the flybar level. It looks like there's too much negative there or your long links are too short. A picture of your setup at zero degrees would help very much.

Also, are there two threaded holes in the top of your rotor head near the center?

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02-25-2006 07:02 AM
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I will....

I managed to adjust it so that I get more than half the defection a -10. I thing it is a combination of both of what you said. the A arms do not aloow fo much adjusting.

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02-25-2006 08:04 AM
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50feet,
I'll be sure to pop in and check here often.

Nice catch Shawn. I still want to see a picture like the last one with zero degrees deflection. Maybe one from straight above also at the same setting.

Sorry to make you give your camera a workout. It's just much easier than having you decribe everything.

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02-25-2006 02:39 PM
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Okay...

Max at -10 before



After some adjusting -11 more tilt if If I go - 9/10



Zero to - 5 full tilt



I had to adjust the pitch arm a bit and the head links. I guess find a balance. This heli is really sensitive even with - 30 expo (I think my HS is a bit high). Do I need full tilt to control it inverted?

I tell you what... I took it out back to balance, track, set tail.. I got to hover it a bit and it feels similar if not better than the MA Ion-X electric I had. I like what I have see so far. What thid new head. I can get any of the parts links to work on the bergen sight. I click the pic but nothing happens. And do I need to upgrade to stackef frames and the new head for a better machine?

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