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e-E-Flite Blade MSR CP CX MCX 400-3D > Honeybee CP2 problems

bscfo1
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Location: Tampa, Florida - USA

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Is this thing a handful to fly? I'm an experienced flyer and I have never seen something so unpredicable as this heli. I know you get what you paid for but should it just shoot up into the sky with just the slightest input?

It's also VERY pitchy and unstable off center. It seems like the collective either sticks or the slop in the servos/head is causing it to be very hard to keep it in one place.

I have a fixed pitch heli (Micron!) that's easier to fly! The Honeybee's tail is another issue, I haven't found a mixer or gyro setting that works. It will hunt or swing like mad.

I've hovered it inside and actually crashed it (first in years) when it suddenly shot up almost to the ceiling. It suprised me and I brought in down a little to close to the couch.

It's not acting like interference. It's a physical thing. When I hold it and run it up, the head speed increases and then suddenly the system seem to go from 0 pitch to hover and beyond. Same with negative. I just jerks from neutral to full tilt with nothing in between.

Does the similar Blade CP do this too?

I know it's only $200.00, but is it worth it? Is it safe?

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Martin_gsxr
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Hi bscfo1,

Have you done the modification to non-sticky collective pitch??

It made all the difference..

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nesbocaj
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Location: New York

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Like was said, First- Check for a sticky collective.
second- check that the head slides easily and smoothly as well as all links moving without binding.
third- set the gyro gain to 100% and then work down until you get a fairly well holding tail.
fourth- check that you are at 0 degrees pitch in idle-up, throttle at mid stick, BOTH motors unplugged. Return idle-up switch to normal position when done.

All of this gets you to to a fair starting point, best of luck!

Bob J

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bscfo1
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Martin,
There's a modification to fix this? Thanks. I'll do a search for it. I guess Ready-To-Fly really means Ready-To-Modi(fly). I can't imagine that someone test flew this thing. I just hope it doesn't hit someone just trying to trim it indoors like I was.

Okay - Esky and future heli manufacturers listen up: I think I can speak for most people in this hobby in that we're willing to pay a little more for a TRUE RTF second/third/fourth heli to toss around. So make it flyable at least. Charge a little more for the upgrade in quality. How about it folks? A complete and true RTF heli with radio that flys good out of the box for $300.00. I paid $200.00 for the Honeybee. The extra $100.00 ought to cover their costs. I'd buy it. Hell - people spend $1000.00 on a Trex. I did. Worth every penny.

A beginners heli? I don't think so. I bought this cheap thing because I didn't want to do ANYTHING for ONCE, just fly, not worry, and not see dollar signs. Take some chances. Practice. Oh - I don't mind building at all, but I was curious after I read some good reviews. Now I know. But I'd sure like to ask James Wang about it.

The good news is the Blade XP really IS an honest-to-goodness indoor beginners heli. But it's just not the same to me. Fun, but not challenging enough. But a great little heli. I don't think Esky should be considering the CP a beginners heli. Too squirrely. Too dangerous. And the scary thing is the cost will attract inexperienced buyers. Did I just get a bad one?

nesbocaj,

Thanks for the advice. As soon as the CA dries I'll try it!

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Martin_gsxr
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Hi bscfo1, you need 2 allen-key 1.5mm like the one in your kit...

1- remove the 2 front blades

2- with the 2 allen key on each side unscrew the bolt that retain the
blade-grip to the center-shaft.

3- you will see 2 washer (1 small, and 2 second bigger)

4- you need to change the order of assembly(the bigger need to be close to the bolt and the smaller close to the bearing)

That way the bigger one will no longer jam the bearing..
the smaller will roll with the center...

I will try to find the post and pictures of this for you...

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...icky+collective

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bscfo1
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Martin_gsxr,
Thanks for the breakdown on that. I wonder if the factory knows or cares about this oversite. So the bigger washer is touching the case of the bearing and not the race? That would do it. I thought I was losing my skills.......LOL

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Martin_gsxr
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E-flite knows about it, that`s why they sell a new model grip...

but this way it`s free.. my honey Bee cp2 is my first heli and I did

not know at first that those heli have this problem.

After reading in this forum, and all the problems possibles, it has

been very helpfull for me..

All the credits to some very experiment flyers..

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bscfo1
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Martin_gsxr,

I did the modification, and you're right, the collective was nice and smooth after that. Thanks for that. It must be something else though, because when I test hovered it, it was madly going up and down. Even when I established a hover, it would suddenly shoot up or slam down. I've NEVER had this much trouble with a heli, even my little Micron eventually was flyable.

No matter - I took the whole thing outside and threw it in the garbage...... I kept the batteries. Damn, that felt good.

I'll probably write a letter to the vendor or manufacturer but I'm to old to waste my time on this.

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Gary Hoorn
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Location: Annapolis Maryland USA

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took the whole thing outside and threw it in the garbage

Poor little Bird

They can be a handfull to get setup properly but once you accomplish that you can have hours of flying in your yard without having to drive anywhere. It is winter here and I duck out, fly and duck back in before I freeze

Gary

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Martin_gsxr
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bscfo1, You should maybe give the bird to another parent...

Like me!

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avator
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That's a shame, the really do fly well with a little tinkering. Don't throw it in the garbage, sent it to me!

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Martin_gsxr
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bscfo1, my parents are in Florida right now...

Just to know, where are your garbages locate ???

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bscfo1
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Thanks guys for offering to "adopt" the little bird. But I really think there was something inherently wrong with that heli. I believe it was something in the electronics or servos causing it to wig out.

Yes, there was plenty of slop in the head, but I have an old Shuttle that is just as sloppy and still flys pretty good. There was A LOT of free play in that Honeybee's servos though, more than I've ever seen!

It wouldn't lock on to any pitch and would hunt and shoot up and down. Your welcome to fish it out of my trash, but let me tell you, that thing is dangerous! Let's put it this way: I haven't crashed a heli in years and that thing was completely out of control with a mind of it's own. I couldn't even save it. Thank God it didn't hit me or anybody else.

I have built ALL 5 of my helicopters, and they ALL fly great. I know that some of them take more time to setup than others but this is not just a trimming/mixing/gyro thing. Hell - I can make a Micron fly pretty good. Try that. Sometimes you just have to know when to give up and move on.

I'm content with cutting my losses and moving on. For $188.00, its not worth fixing. But it sure was fun slamming that piece of crap in the garbage. I'll write the company, that's enough for me.

Then back to flying.........

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slider46
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Location: Gloversville, NY

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Send the heli to me, I'll even pay the shipping and a small fee for it.... PM me if your interested in a deal.
Thanks,

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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Gary Hoorn
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Tom,
Were you in time or did the trash man already come to bscfo1's house? There has to be a part or two that is still good on that Heli. His action reminds of a guy I saw who crashed his plane due to pilot error and then went over and stomped the remains to pieces... Hopefully he will respond to your request. That poor little bird deserves better than that!
Gary

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slider46
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Gary,
I think the trash man has cometh...LOL I wanted to give it a new home and a new life with a BL setup I'm just dying to drop into a Honeybee.... I have everything all ready to go I just need a honeybee donor bird...
I hate to put it in my blade as it is fying so good like it is.... I just need more helis to put my parts in...

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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Gary Hoorn
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Tom,
Thats a shame.

R.I.P Little Bird

Gary

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slider46
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Gary, it sure is a shame, it could make someone a good heli (like me) I have been looking for a Honeybee co2 for at least a month now.. Here is one that would fill my needs and the garbageman will be selling it to someone, BSCFO1 who is your garbageman????
I guess that it was meant to be.......

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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bscfo1
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Poor little bird could've hit you in the face. I'd bet you'd stomp it then. If you were still conscious.

I really enjoy working on my heli's, but I don't mess with squirrely electronics. You can't be sure if one of the circuit boards is damaged on the servos or 4in1.

Now be realistic, do you think I should give it away and take a chance on someone getting hurt?

Let's run the numbers then. I paid $188.00. What would you try to replace first? How much time are you willing to put in? Here's what you've got to fix/replace and the prices:

Canopy $8.00
Tail boom $2.63
Frame $7.32
Skids $3.11
Blades $8.00
Flybar $3.64
Possibly the 4in1 $48.00
Possibly the main motor $6.11
Possibly the Servos $8.99 each (3)

You want to rebuild this? Cause that's what you're going to have to do since the frame is broken. Hmm - where to start?

Bare bones kit at HeliDirect - $69.99 But - WHY would you want to put time into building one of these. The whole idea is "ready to fly" and the low price is what makes you curious. I'd rather use my time building better quality kits.

Jeez - get your ass back in school and get a good job, so you DONT have to worry about $188.00!

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slider46
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I am probably older than you and I believe I have a very good job already. I'm more interested in building a great flying heli from what everyone says is a POS. I have an excellent flying blade cp that I bought used and built it the way I felt it should be done with help from members here... I can understand if you don't want to fix it or work on a heli when you can buy one that already flies great.. I grew up with helis in the 70's and 80's when we had to adapt airplane stuff to get them into the air, no gyros, no internet for help no clubs no RTF kits no computer radios and the list goes on.. It's what I enjoy...It's called polishing a turd til it shines
Sorry I bothered you

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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