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Torsten
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hi there,

the german modellmaker Robbe is introducing a new helicopter stabilization.

no ir or optical horizon sensors

will hold position above ground by using a optical system similar to a optical pc mouse.

also includes 3 gyros

suposed to be a totally "new" concept with both systems exchanging information.

i hope to have one here for a trial run soon and will let you know what it can do.

price is to be around 500$

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01-28-2006 01:56 PM
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daggit
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keep us posted!
01-28-2006 04:40 PM
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Torsten
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jepp,

definatly will, and iīll try to get a few extra.

from what i read this should combine the 3 gyro stabilizer similar to a carvec with a terrain scanning optical system to hold position over ground. will not work over water and smooth snow. no contrast i guess.

i hope to have one here and in the air next week.

t
01-28-2006 04:51 PM
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Torsten
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here is what i found on the Robbe Modellsport international page.

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Worldīs First - HeliCommand !
Flight attitude stabilisation and positioning system for model helicopters.

The breakthrough:
Many vain attempts have been made to create a stabilisation system for free-flying helicopters. The control aids familiar in the modelling world are either just additional x-y gyro systems, or simple light sensors which only work if the horizon is very flat, with no obstacles in the line of sight. Until now, regulatory systems offering genuine inherent stability have been enormously complex, due to the unavoidable fact that it is impossible in a helicopter to measure angles of inclination relative to gravity; the second problem is that of obtaining a stable geographic position; these problems could only be overcome if at least a GPS system was installed in the model. If you were piloting a conventional helicopter and left it to its own devices for a few seconds, it would quickly start to drift off in a random direction, at the same time constantly accelerating - in short, it would not survive for long.
The HeliCommand unit stabilises the geographical position of the model helicopter as well as its flight attitude.
This involves a new technique of ground sensing which is much lighter and cheaper than GPS, and also works far more accurately when close to the ground: unwanted movements can be measured much more finely, and automatic compensation applied much more accurately. An additional advantage over GPS is that the system even works where the flying site is closely surrounded by buildings or trees, and even indoors, provided that the lighting and contrast conditions are adequate.
This completely new attitude stabilisation and positioning technology is now available to modellers for the first time. The HeliCommand incorporates several control and measuring systems, and provides a superb level of stabilisation.
Decisive features are a quality of regulation never obtained before, combined with compactness and light weight and a reasonable price.
Applications:

Ideal as a training aid for the beginner. When set to maximum stabilisation, the system makes it possible to learn the art of helicopter flying without outside help.
Safety function for advanced and scale model pilots: reduced crash risk (emergency knob).
deal assistance for long-range flying, and when manoeuvring in cramped conditions.
Technical features:
High-level reliability thanks to two independent instrument systems and sophisticated software.
New type of sensing process provides reliable geographical positioning, completely independent of the visible horizon.
Electronic triple-axis gyro provides attitude regulation with an artificial horizon.
The instruments can be activated individually; the degree of stabilisation is adjustable.

Integral functions:
Tail rotor gyro
The HeliCommand unit features an integral high-quality heading-hold gyro. Of course, a separate gyro can also be used if you prefer.

Auto-trim
Another important feature is automatic trim; a button-press on the transmitter automatically neutralises the three control axes: pitch, roll and tail. For auto-pilot operations the trim is only necessary during the first flight (after installation). However the trim can also be used for manual control. Any reasonably smooth phase of flight lasting a minimum of seven seconds is sufficient for the automatic trim system to define correct trim values. The settings are stored, but they can also be revised and corrected at any time.

Swashplate mixer
The HeliCommand unit incorporates a comprehensive integral swashplate mixer (H2, HR3, H4). This makes it possible to control all current types of helicopter using simple radio control systems (without swashplate mixers). In this case the display module or the PC adaptor and software is required in order to carry out adjustments. The mixer settings are entered using a new form of procedure which is very simple to operate; this saves the user the task of studying the menu system etc.
Pilot channel
The effect of the stabilising / positioning mode can be adjusted proportionally using a spare radio
control channel; it can also be switched off completely for 3-D flying.

The in-flight switchable gain system offers three different positions:
Stage 0 = Off (conventional)
Stage 1 = Attitude regulation (stabilisation)
Stage 2 = Position-holding and "ground-speed" regulation

Fail-safe
High-quality fail-safe function with FM receivers. If the radio link fails, the fail-safe responds extremely quickly and almost continuously, setting the roll-axis and pitch-axis functions to neutral, whilst maintaining the collective pitch function at the last value.

Heli-Command works
Two independent instrument systems are used in conjunction with sophisticated software to ensure high reliability. The position measurement is based on a ground sensor which works on a similar principle to an optical computer mouse; the difference is that the position-finding continues to work at flight altitudes of around 3 m and more, even when daylight is beginning to fade. The movement sensor detects the ground while the helicopter is flying, and can be considered as a replacement for the eye of an airborne pilot. The sensor is able to detect all relative movement in the horizontal plane by analysing the contrasts exhibited by virtually every type of ground surface; this works just as accurately as a computer mouse on its base surface. The supplementary attitude stabilisation system contains three electronic gyros and works using an artificial horizon, i.e. it is entirely independently of the visual conditions. This arrangement enables the HeliCommand to stabilise the helicopterīs inclination relative to the horizontal plane, independently of lighting conditions (in contrast to previous types of stabiliser), and also to stabilise the machineīs position above the ground when in regulatory mode. Only in exceptional cases, e.g. in the dark, above stretches of water, or over a totally smooth covering of snow, is the optical sensing device unable to supply a signal; if this should occur, the remaining on- board instruments automatically assume the task of stabilising the helicopter.

If brief, this "bridging" action is not noticeable. If it lasts longer, the helicopter will automatically switch from positioning mode to stabilising mode. The pilot will then detect this, and may have to compensate for any slow drift which occurs by giving a straightforward corrective control command. If particular ambient conditions make it obvious that the optical ground sensor cannot pick up adequate contrast (such as when flying indoors), the pilot would normally switch over to stabilisation mode (attitude regulation).

However, these special features do not need to be taken into account if you limit yourself to normal weather and usual model flying conditions and environments.

Specification:
Dimensions: 55x35x12.5 mm
Mass/weight: 33.00 pond/g
Operating voltage: 4.8-6 Volts



01-28-2006 05:23 PM
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Torsten
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i will hope to have three here next week if Robbe can deliver. this item is to be introduced at the Nürnberg Toy Fare in febuary.

i need two and i guess i could always send the third one to Tony for t&e
01-28-2006 05:33 PM
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xcellgasman101
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Man,, Thats to COOL,,, Did you say that you have one on the way,, Please keep us informed,, I'm very interested in this device,, Sounds like a great tool for AP work,,, XGM

John Crotts
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01-28-2006 05:34 PM
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GMcNair
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Technology is moving at the speed of light in the rc heli world. Unbelievable. I look forward to your report Torsten, this is yet another "holy grail" in this industry!
01-28-2006 05:51 PM
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Torsten
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if this does what it claims to do then it will save me the second man on 95% of my high res photo ops.

iīll test it on the logos, the joker, and the industrial aerotec gasser. iīll let you know when i have one on my desk. iīll get the full opption version with pc programming software etc.

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01-28-2006 05:55 PM
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Smithprod
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"Tail rotor gyro
The HeliCommand unit features an integral high-quality heading-hold gyro."

Are you kidding me??? This thing souds way cool! I hope it lives up to expectations...

Brad
01-28-2006 06:09 PM
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ELOSSAM
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Robbe offers three different units: 3A, 3D, RIGID. (ref 8493,8494 and 8495) and each one at different prices. The three share the same picture and specifications.
Any idea about the differences?
Ok I saw some. Between the 3A and 3D there is the inverted flight capability, and the RIGID must have (but this is only supposed as I donīt saw it elsewhere)different calibration that allows better perfomances to hold the position.
01-28-2006 06:38 PM
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z11355
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my *hunch* would be

a unit w/ attitude control only

a unit w/ position control only

a unit w/ both.


I'm guessing that the positional one operates like the
imaging camera used on Mars landers in that it takes
high contrast images, correlates/normalizes the position of significant
'features' it sees and then issues correction commands.
01-28-2006 06:48 PM
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kima
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I am going to have to get one and have a play around. But from my past experience due to the Nuremburg toy fair they may be delayed a bit.

If it works as well as they say it will make things so much easier especially around here where it is always wind as hell.

K R Attwell
www.PhotoHigher.co.nz
01-28-2006 11:18 PM
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mwp
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A link to the Robbe site search page.

Enter HeliCommand in the search box for page links.

http://at.robbe-online.net/rims_at.storefront

Very interesting product.

Mark
01-29-2006 01:12 AM
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joe-diver
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I called the san diego, Ca. robbe dealer today. He will get back to me on Monday with availability and price. would like to try one, I tried the co-pilot not good results


Name
DYMOND SAN DIEGO Hobbys
Adress
3904 CONVOY ST. 110/111
San DIEGO, CA 92111

Phone
858 495 0092
858 495 0096 Fax

e-Mail
dymondrc@execpc.com

Joe
01-29-2006 02:18 AM
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fitenfyr
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Interesting, but the position hold is only good to 3m?
Probably not accurate to consider this on the same scale as a CARVEC though.
John's system can position hold much higher than that although it is much more expensive.
Not going to do much for my needs I'm affaid, but at that price it is certainly much better than the co-pilot if it works as advertised.

Jason Stiffey
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01-29-2006 06:14 AM
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Panomaniac
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"...The position measurement is based on a ground sensor which works on a similar principle to an optical computer mouse; the difference is that the position-finding continues to work at flight altitudes of around 3 m and more"
01-29-2006 10:17 AM
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lele
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thanks Torsten!!

that's wonderfull!
Let us know as soon as you test it!
It looks as it was made right for AP.

Lele
01-29-2006 01:05 PM
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lele
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if it does what they say

they would have got near perfection if the device would have kept the altitude also, but this is probably asking too much.
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01-29-2006 01:13 PM
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ELOSSAM
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continues to work at flight altitudes of around 3 m and more

The question here is how much above 3m?
In case it has not enough resolution at, letīs say 40 mts high, to hold possition and must rely all the responsibility to the 3 gyros then we have not advanced too much. IMU units like CARVEC one must be much more than three gyros because itīs doesnīt use external references, (Light, IR temperature, image contrast) so it holds the same accuracy in all the time, weather conditions, altitude and ground surfaces. I donīt doubt about this new device, infact I saw before some experiments using this technology to do auto-landings with RC fixed wing planes and thought about a way to improve the accuracy at high altitudes (even only at 70-80 m.(300 ft).
Will see
01-29-2006 01:50 PM
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Coolrunnin
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I'm interested in the results from this for sure. It looks to be one neat gadget, even if it only holds on gyros - position hold would be a bonus. I guess the position hold depends upon what texture is below it and what lighting conditions are on the day.
01-29-2006 06:47 PM
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