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e-MS Composit Hornet > OH Yeah... 310gram Hornet 2 that anyone can do....
 
 
Blade-X
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Location: Singapore

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I know it may not sound like much... but it was been a long term goal of mine to get my Hornet 2 to under the stipulated AUW of 340g.

Here's my setup:

3 x HS-55s (cyclic, )
1 x JR-306 (tail, mounted near the main frame.)
MS-044 HH gyro (decased and shrinked wrapped)
"Airtecnic" 6CH receiver (up to 800m)
MS-116
AXI-25t pinion
Bell-Hiller Mixer
H2 One-way unit.
HX-3D ball-raced tail grips
Viper-3D/ Dragonfly CP22A white Foam blades (I love these!)

3S TP730mAh!

Upgrades:

mH tailcase
Duzi tail mount.

Mods:

1)BH-mixer uses screws. (comes standard for HX-3Ds)
2)Sandwiched plastic rings btw LG and main frame to increase ground clearance.
3)Triple bearinged main grips. HX-3D uses 3 pieces of 2x6x2. I'm using 2x6x2.3 because I cant get the thinner ones.I had to grind the top of each grip bolt. Using 12mm bolts.
4) Increased damping using thicker o-rings, Alu tube section and set collar
5) Changed Antennae multi-core wire to single core.
6) Titanium-Alu Alloy tail drive shaft
7) Stuck 2 pieces of credit/phone card plastic together to form a platform so the Axi could be mounted levelled, instead of tilted (abit).
8) Alu Axi mounting screws.
9) Lock-Nuts for 16mm main blade bolts.
10) No tail boom supports
11) CG balanced using Chao's post.




Overall, I think I added a lot more mass than stock. This sounds like old news.... But a lot of the electronic equipment I used are standard, so it's possible to hit below 340g with a smaller batt pack.
So far, no outdoor tests yet. But indoor tests show the bird to be docile and very predictable.... With the big drop in weight (from 340 ++ to 310) A lot of vibrations are showing at the tail end. Ain't rocket science but this is just as I thought. Weight did mask up a lot of vibes i had in the past. I will try to get pics up soon. This has to be the 6th or 7th makeover without $$ additions.

I'm still considering on switching to HS-50s for cyclics.... Lol... I've spoke to hundreds of people about this issue since last June.... Yet I've not done anything except for getting the 50s.

Other things I'd like to try are

a) try to implement the set-screw collar for the old one-way sleeve system. I've brass piping of the correct OD already.

b) go back to using carbon tail drives. There's a twist .... I'm thinking of using only 2 bearings at extreme ends... use a regular 2mm carbon rod.... but only sand down the ends just enough to fit the bearings and the gears.... That should minimise twisting....

In getting here, I've ruined 1 perfectly okay titanium-Alu shaft, 2 gears, and 2 bearings.... I've no more spare titan-alu drives left.....
01-25-2006 Over year old.
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Saob
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Location: Stood behind you

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I gave up trying to shave weight on my hornets, seems to fly better with a bit more weight to it. Im still on the 1320mah TP packs the 730's dont cut it for me.

Vibes in the tail..... That'll be the MH gearbox then
Nicest looking piece of garbage i have had for a long time
01-26-2006 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
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Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

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I'm going the other way and keep adding to mine.


Sorry, I don't see how a gear box itself could induce vibration. It's a none-moving part that merely holds the bearings for the output shaft to ride in. I've seen plenty of vibration originating from the plastic gears themselves and maybe rough bearings. To finger the gear box seems far fetched and I can't swallow that.
01-26-2006 Over year old.
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Saob
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Well, I had a vibration free hornet, added the MH tail gearbox, tail wagging and vibing all over the shop, went back to stock, smooth heli again..... That was all the proof I needed :P
01-27-2006 Over year old.
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Blade-X
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Location: Singapore

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There's proof to Saob's side of the argument....

My Dad's tennis friends and I had had the worst tennis elbows after trying to play with them metal rackets when they were were first introduced..... Besides I do believe plastics absorb vibes... but with the stock plastic GB I've always got up and down oscil....confined to the Gb area.. something I cud never cure...
01-30-2006 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
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Well I still wish Duzi would make a whole Hornet tail set like their T-rex one.
01-30-2006 Over year old.
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Blade-X
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Location: Singapore

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I dun think it's lucrative enough for them to want to do so. But that Trex Gb design really is somthing. Looks much stronger to me than the mH one.... plus Duzi design wise, they always make the simple shapes look good... dunno how they pull it off.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
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Well I emailed the Duzis and asked them. We'll see what their reply is if I get one. Should have requested it of them a long time ago before this decline of the Hornets.
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Micro-Maniac
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Well Martin Duzi emailed me back actually saying he would be interested in offering a similar tail set for the Hornet, just not for awhile as he's too busy at the moment. I did notice he was out of stock on a lot of items recently. I of course don't know what else is on his plate and when he would get around to the project, but I'll definitely buy it if and when he does produce it.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
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