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RAK402
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I just flew the VNR3D for the first time.

This was only a test hover but I AM SHOCKED!!!

Very crisp, lots of power on the stock motor and battery (stock motor is brushed, stock battery is a 9 cell Nimh).

Zero Vibration and perfect tracking without any adjustment.

It is a little tail heavy stock, and the battery is already all the way forward, so I will probably have to add weight to the nose.

The blades have a much narrower chord than the Honeybee CP2 or the Blade CP.

Head and general layout design is similar to the Hornet.

I cannot wait to get it out to where I can fly it around.

Just like the Outback Rescue-it flew correctly right out of the box.
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X30pilot
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RAK 402

Have you flown the Night Ranger 3D any more?
I would like to know how it compares with the Blade CP

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Hoverdown3K
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How does it perform outside, does it seem to be effected even by very lows winds?

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RAK402
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I have now flown the VNR3D about 14 times, today in slight wind.

It is far more responsive than the Blade CP-not even a close comparison. It is very, very, very quick on the cyclic and the collective and you have to be "on it" in the hover, at least until you get used to it.

Tail rotor response is very good. Venom appears to be using some revo mixing with the tail rotor because it does not swing like the tail on the Blade CP or the Honeybee CP2 with power setting changes. The tail holds very well.

The VNR3D bears no resemblance to the Blade CP or the Honeybee CP2 in terms of design, other than the fact that all three use ECCPM and a tail motor. It has Bell/Hiller mixing stock (unlike the Blade). Head and general layout design is very similar, but not identical, to the Hornet X3D. The tail boom is aluminum tubing, instead of carbon fibre. The landing gear struts are a molded assembly instead of carbon fiber rods plugged into sockets. The lower portion of the fram is aluminum.

There is not tendency for the nose to pitch up in forward flight like the Honeybee CP2. It is neutrally stable in forward flight (goes where you point it, stays in the attitude you left it in) and is quite fast.

Blade chord is much narrower on the VNR3D and head speed is much higher. I have been running the 3-Cell, 1000 mah batteries that I usually run in the Honey and the Blade. I did fly the stock Nimh pack several times and, although I did not try it, I am quite certain that it could have been rolled with that battery.

I have not attempted any aerobatics yet. The Honeybee CP2 could roll about three times in the same airspace that it took the Blade CP to roll once. Based on cyclic response in forward flight, I suspect that the VNR3D will roll still faster, but cannot back this up at the moment.

At the moment, I am flying with the gyro turned all the way down.

I have had to add two quarters to the extreme front of the inside of the canopy for nose weight and did unwrap the antenna from around the landing gear struts and ran it from a hole in the canopy through a plastic tube and back to the vertical fin.

Light wind does not seem to bother it much, but I did notice that I was holding some forward stick to keep it parked. There was enough travel in the trim lever to correct it. A little trim goes a long way on this helicopter.

I have been adjusting the Collective with the two knobs on the top of the transmitter. Although this is a different system than I am used to, it does seem to work well so far. It is also nice that it has the abilty for adjustment from the transmitter as opposed to twisting ball-links.
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X30pilot
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Location: Plano, TX -USA

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RAK 402

Thank you so much for posting the flight report!
How long of a flight are you getting on that 1000mah battery?
Does the main or tail motor get hot during the flight?
I had looked at one of these at my local Hobby town and it appeared to be higher quality than the Blade. Looking though the instructions I liked how they have a plug and play brushless conversion. The suggestion to make some holes in the top of the canopy to cool things down seemed like a good idea. Please let us know how it does in loops and rolls and how well it holds up.

Thanks again.

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RAK402
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X-30,

I am getting between 10 and 15 minutes on the 1000 mah lipo. I have not timed it. It is definitely a somewhat shorter time than the Blade CP or the Honeybee on the same battery.

I have not looped or rolled it yet, nor have I even flipped the Idle up switch yet. I am still getting used to the machine.

Three more flights this AM. Again, light winds towards the end, but they presented no problem to the machine.
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wyd
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Location: Harrisburg, PA

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Yeah I sold my Blade CP and will be ordering the Venom CP in week or so. I was wondering if anyone was flying on of these. Very nice looking and the price is excellent. I actually buying both Venom versions so I can have the CP and the fix pitch as well. NIce to have when we fly indoors so I have a choice along with my XRB.

Can't wait to read more results from others on this heli.

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RAK402
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WYD,

Please post your thoughts on the VNR3D when you get it, if you don't mind. I am interested in comparing notes.

Thank you.
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wyd
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I will do that. Once I get it I'm going to have my buddy give it a good flight since he can fly alot better than I do plus he has been flying his Blade CP for awhile now.

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boing69
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Location: powder springs ga

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NIGHT RANGER 3D

I bought one of these as an upgrade.. I got used to flying my dragonfly #4.. And was trying to do some impossible stuff with it. After crashing it pretty badly. I figured I'd try a 3d helo. As for hovering, pretty stable, not as stable as my #4, because I have to constantly correct. But pretty damn stable when trimmed out. Only problem I have with it. When the battery below half way, and you're losing altitude rapidly, give it full throttle the tail is over correcting somewhat. Kinda wierd problem, other problem is that it tail twitches after the battery gets kind of low. Maybe I need to do more adjusting to the limit adjustment pot or delay adjustment pot, but I'm not very sure, guess I'll give venom a call when I have time. Other than that, No major mishaps. Also the tail rotor is almost trimmed all the way to left on the transmitter, with one notch left, Sure would like to fix these problems. Still kind of scared to go 3d mode. As it takes alot of practice to learn how it flys. Unlike my dragonfly #4, its a bit stronger and alot more responsive. I'd just like to add, gentlemen may want to make sure the set screws on the main shaft are tight, As one of them fell out, and the other was loose. without them, the main rotor won't spin at all with the gear. Could have been a big mistake. Was lucky to see it. Only reason it caught my attention is that the blades were spinning loosly without main gear movement. Any input on the problems I have is appreciated.
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RAK402
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Boing,

Welcome! Someone else recently reported a loose set screw on the rotor head. I have checked mine several times to make sure that it is and stays tight.

Here is a link to another thread where there are quite a few of us flying the VNR3D now:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455241

I have about 20 flights on mine now and am really enjoying it. You do have to be on it all the time, but it flies great! Much more lively than the Blade CP!

I would not continue flying when the battery starts to get low. This would be more critical if you were using Lipos, as they can be damaged easily.

The nose on mine hunts back and forth slightly at the beginning of a newly charged battery. This goes away when the voltage normalizes. If the machine continues to nose back and forth, Venom has suggested that the PZT know be adjusted slightly to stop the hunting. I have adjusted it slightly towards (+) and it corrects it. DIP switch number 8 on the back of the TX must be unlocked for the PZT and PLT knobs to work.

PLT is Pitch Limit Trim: Total pitch range

PZT is Pitch Zero Trim: This adjusts the mixing of the pitch vs. throttle. It does not directly adjust the throttle as the manual indicates, but by adjusting the mixing of the collective pitch with the throttle it, by default, adjusts the RPM.
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boing69
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more questions! and thanks for input as well!

Thanks, I unlocked the pzt dip switch 8, to see what happens, Its raining now, but the moment it stops, I'll be all over it, the tail twitching is the same as the nose hunting back n forth, I assume. I moved the pzt to the first increment to the positive side. Now if I can get the trim a little closer to center for the left and right spin, I'll be a happy camper.. thanks for the input. I don't have the lipos yet. I still have the stock 650 mah. However I plan on upgrading it soon. Do you recomment getting the lipos first, or the brushless first? Have you gents tried any loops or rolls yet? If so do you absolutley need to be in 3d mode?
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RAK402
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I am sure that you will want the Lipo before going to the brushless upgrade. Surprisingly, the stock pack will give you 8-9 minutes or so of flight, with lots of power with the stock motor.

You will need to flip the 3D switch to loop and roll. I have flown a little with the 3D switch flipped-I have not looped or rolled it yet.

Please keep us posted!
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boing69
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lipo battery

I see on the back of my manual it suggests lipo battery ven-1573 1200mah, but I can't seem to find any for sale. Only thing I see thats close is:
http://www.modelflight.com.au/rc_mo..._helicopter.htm

but this is only 1050 mah. Which one did you buy? where can I get the 1200?
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RAK402
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The 1050 mah, 3-Cell should work fine. I am running 1000 mah. One of the Venom reps was suggesting 800 mah for weight reasons.
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rgraves
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venom,my grandson said papa ugotta have it

hello, guys,o.k.i lied but i was convinced to go with the blade,but after reading about this machine i thought it just sounds too much better.my question is can you buddy box these,and maybe i have missed a thread if this has been covered,if so i appoligize,i ordered one from the LHS nearest me today,should have it in my grubby little hands next tuesday night,after all i've a 1.5 yearold to help me out,thank's for any input,and this has been a great thread!










started with a heliboy,then helistar,champion,gmp cobra in there somewhere,scratchbuilt stuff,gasser excell,GEE now i know why he call's me grandpa
01-18-2006 Over year old.
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RAK402
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Grandpa (I am probably as old, or older than you are!),

I used to fly Heliboys too! Great machines.

I do not believe that there is a provision for buddy-box on this TX. The VNR3D is so quick that I am not sure an instructor on buddy-box could be fast enough to save it anyway.

This one is not a trainer!!!!

(You will feel right at home if you flew a Heliboy! )

Welcome!
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boing69
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trimming the venom 3d

I've flown this a couple times today, the tail twitching seemed to stop at some degree. Only problem I have is the constant nose wondering left if I let go. I have it trimmed all the way to the left on the tx, but I still have to keep my thumb nudging it over to the right, Just to keep it straight. What else can i do? I called venom, left a message this morning. Nobody called me back tho, and the mailbox was full this evening.. Makes me wonder how good the support will be.
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RAK402
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Boeing,

The support has been very good so far. I called them and left a message and they called me back the next day.

They are getting hammered after the Christmas deluge.

Try here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455241
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boing69
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Going Li - Po

I just bought this combination for my venom. Hope it works, I was a bit impatient to get lipo.


1 [SJSWALLOW] SJ Swallow Advance Charger @ 75.00
1 [DSBXP10503] 1050 mAh 11.1V (10-12C) High Discharge XPOWER @ 34.95

http://www.modelflight.com.au/dualsky_lithium_lipo.htm
http://www.modelflight.com.au/rc_mo...ery_charger.htm

Hope its not too heavy. and correct voltage/cell/plugs.. Think it will work?
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