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dkshema
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The new pitch lever looks good, but I didn't realize it would interfere with the servo. Bummer.

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Qooo
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You can check my previos reply in this forum, I posted the picture of the old & new pitch lever.

I only found that problem after I installed the 56 to elevator and then I could not move the pitch lever so that I changed to JR382.

Too bad.

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Tomie
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Qooo,

Can you post some vids of the XP even though i already have a trex am still very curious about the XP Thanks

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Dwight
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Tomie,

If you are going to be in the Van Nuys area Friday or Saturday you can see the XP flying limited 3D in person. I will be flying it at the LA Classic fun fly.

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Tomie
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Thanks Dwight Ill try to go there.. What time will you be doing your demo?
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Qooo
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I just bought 16pcs of 2x5.2.5mm bearings and installed on EP400 XP.

It makes everywhere moves smoothly.


I will try to have a test flight it again today ...


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Dwight
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If you stop by our booth and ask I will take it out and do a demo for you.

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Tomie
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If you stop by our booth and ask I will take it out and do a demo for you.


How can i resist!! Ill try to cancel my other plans and try go there.. I did ask some of the OCHC members to try and take some pics/vids of you doing your demo Thanks Dwight ill look for you if ever i can make it And GL on your Demo!!
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Qooo
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Dwight,

I wish I am living in your country. In Hong Kong, they only have shops on the street but never have a regular place to fly.

The thing is they never have Hobby Shows in Hong Kong.

When I was studying in Toronto, I used to go to Hobby Shows.

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wish I am living in your country. In Hong Kong, they only have shops on the street but never have a regular place to fly.

The thing is they never have Hobby Shows in Hong Kong.

When I was studying in Toronto, I used to Hobby Shows


Ive been to HongKong many times All I can say is Hongkong is a Paradise for Hobby Addicts lol Everything you ever wanted is there and even the Prototypes are being sold for a very reasonable price
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Qooo
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Tomie
Yes, agreed.

We, all flyers just disappoint that gov't doesn't authorize/plan any regular places to let us fly.

There is only 1 flying field approved by gov't in Hong Kong. Then that flying club makes it for only rich flyers.

1 membership fee is ~USD3000 + ~$200 monthly fee in order to fly.

Sorry for off topic.

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ohh that sucks sorry to hear that
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dkshema
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I had a chance to look through the XP manual this evening, and compared it to the plain EP400 manual. There are a LOT of subtle changes that have been made to the XP that aren't apparent at first glance.

For instance, I noted early on that the flybar seesaw on the standard EP was limited in travel, and when it bottomed out on the collar at the base of the hub, the control inputs went really crazy. With the XP, the flybar seesaw has been modified to allow the flybar much greater latitude in the tilt axis than that of the original EP. The silly collar at the bottom of the MR hub is gone, the MR hub has been changed.

I think Kyosho really read this thread carefully when they spun the XP version, as all of the shortcomings of the original EP that I pointed out seem to have been addressed. There are too many coincidences in what was changed in the XP vs the stuff I pointed out in the standard kit.

I'd really like to see one of these babies up close and personal. It's a remarkably different heli than the original EP 400 and the changes all appear to be positive.

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Tomie
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Yeah and it would be nice if kyosho can make like a window in their boxes so we can see the kit inside. The hobby shop doesnt want me to open it to take a look Its like take a look at the picture and thats it. Or it would be nice if they could provide a display kit in stores like Align is doing..
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Qooo
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The reason why I couldn't control myself to buy the new EP400 XP because the shop keeper didn't open the box and showed to me(the box was all sealed by label.) but he showed me the menu only and told me all the changes/upgrades .... God!

And then I bought in the next day ...

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Tomie
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What happened to me is the opposite.. I told to myself, you dont want me to see it then Ill just get a Trex (atleast they have a display kit that i can see).. lol
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dkshema
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It has been awhile since I posted any news here on the thread.

I got a chance to get out and fly the EP400 again today. This time it has a Just Go Fly 450TH motor and I believe a 32 tooth pinion (been a while since I installled it.

Great flying little machine, flies upside down as well as it does right side up. I had just finished flying my T-Rex prior to taking out the EP. Once again, I was reminded of why the little EP is so much fun.

I need to tweak some pitch curves, though. I need a little more negative pitch so I can climb out better inverted, and maybe need to refine the cyclics. Still trying to get nice loops and flips out of the EP. It will do them, they just aren't very pretty.

Dave
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Qooo
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I found out that I need to adjust the travels of aileron and elevator to 60% in order to prevent the washout control arms hitting the swashplate if I did the most left + most down.

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Finally I saw a Caliber 400 Display KIT in our LHS Its love at first sight!! haha but no XP yet
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dkshema
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Time to bring this to the top again, it's nearly a year old. The EP 400 XP is now available. I've looked at the manual and see there are a LOT of subtle changes that have been made to the XP as compared to the EP 400. The majority of the changes are in the head. All balls instead of Z-bends, a much better looking pitch slider arrangement, and a fixed radius block with two pins to drive the swashplate. The boom mounted TR servo looks much more serviceable. An aluminum swashplate.

I've not seen one in person, would like to evaluate one to compare with the EP400 I bought to start this thread a year ago, but at this point, I'd like my next electric heli to be a bit bigger -- Lepton or Align 600.

I've looked through the XP parts list, and have done a quick comparison to the EP400 parts list. It appears that most of the new head components can be had at a very reasonable price. I may opt to upgrade the head stuff, add the boom mounted servo, and upgrade the pitch slider on my current EP.

Side frames at about $26 a side are a bit pricey to do the frame swap, as is the $41 aluminum swashplate.

This past year I've had the opportunity to fly the EP quite a bit. My biggest problem has been tail wag, regardless of the gyro gain setting. The stock mounting position on the side, with the servo arm poking in through the cutout in the sideframe severely limits the length of servo arm that can be used. I think this is the root cause of my wag, and a boom mounted servo would alleviate this problem, I believe.

I really like the feel of the EP 400 in the air, it's good and solid, it handles wind with ease, and is a fun little machine to fly. I'm using a Just Go Fly 450TH motor and a 32-tooth pinion. With TP2100 Pro Lites, I get about 6 1/2 minutes of hard flying with a couple more minutes of easy flying.

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