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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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Nice to see you all having all these discussions on EP400.

I will take some closeup photos at my tail slide lever to you all. My mod. is simple. I just drilled a bigger hole on tail slide lever & cutted off the black plastic rod from the tail slide block and then drilled a small hole so that I could screw a ball into it.

What I am thinking now is to disassembly all parts where I think the plays from and then try to develop some parts to improve to what we want.

There is a OEM company in Hong Kong. They can have quotations for personal orders. You can have your own brand/design or simply copied ones too ... of course, I don't think it will be cheap if only few pieces for each parts.

xchurchx

The shop told me he didn't receive your email.
How come the shop didn't reply to you? If you want, you can gimme your email & I will email to him and then call him to check the email.

If you really can't contact him or buy from him, then see if I can buy for you and mail those parts to you. Of course, how you can pay me???

What I know is the shop is making the Fibre glass canopy & a new holder to reallocate the battery to the front. The new holder will make the battery slide into the motor pinion.
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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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Let me list the metal/CF parts I can buy from the shop in Hong Kong.

1) Metal pitch servo holder ( Blue )
2) Metal mainshaft bearing holder ( Blue )
3) Metal rudder servo holder on tail boom ( Blue )
4) CF tail boom support ( Blue )
5) CF tail boom ( very strong / hard )
6) Steel main shaft ( stronger material )
7) A new battery/motor holder ( coming soon )
8) Fiber glass canopy with vental on both sides ( coming soon )
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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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Good to see you got it up and running again. I see you moved the battery. Have you had a chance to fly with the battery in the new position?

Dave
04-05-2006 Over year old.
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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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I flew my EP400 in this morning & it flew great ... will try to change all Z ends/plastic balls to Align metal ball links ball links ... in these 2 days ... big job man ...
Just thinking which JR servo should I try on rundder.
I know Hitec 56 / Futaba 9650( too expensive ) should be fine with Futaba 401 gyro but I want to keep all servos to be JR servos ... heehee ...

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Qooo
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xchurchx
Thanks for your advice. I have a Hitec 55. I might try it in this week.

I was thinking to change the whole rotor head of T-Rex to EP400.
What to do is to have
1) a tail-made main shaft which we can still use EP400's main gear at the bottom ... "SHOULD BE POSSIBLE"
2) a bearing fits T-Rex's main shaft & EP400's bearing holder ... "SHOULD BE POSSIBLE"
3) a new set of servo holders for T-Rex's CCPM on EP400's CF main frame ... "THINKING"

I think if we can establish the above 3 mods, then that will be a new toys.
However, should we simply go to buy a T-Rex 450SE?

Maybe I am just thinking too much ...
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HELIWIZARD
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Location: ardsley, new york

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hey qooo

if ya want a digital on the tail and fast. try thr hds 877 i have them all around and a great servo.

ADDICTED TO HELIS ~ too much FUN
04-07-2006 Over year old.
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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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thr hds 877? What brand is this servo?....
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HELIWIZARD
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Location: ardsley, new york

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hobby electronics. i love them around 25.00 us

ADDICTED TO HELIS ~ too much FUN
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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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Woo... I tried to drilled holes for Align metal balls... however, I failed. I need to buy a new swashplate ... I am thinking to make a new main shaft so that I can put the whole rotor head of Align 450 to the tailor-made main shaft.

The bottom part of the new main shaft below the bearing holder is the same as the EP400's and the upper part above the bearing holder is the same as Align 450. Therefore I can simply use the whole rotor head of Align 450 SE.

Now I need to find what kind of material for main shaft?
Anyone can help?
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Qooo
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I will find some machiner factory to make the mainshaft from 6mm diameter to 5mm which should fit to all Align 450 parts.
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Qooo
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xchurchx

Well ... I checked my main shaft & tail shaft too 2 weeks ago. I also found there were heavy wear out around the area where the slide block moved. The original material of these 2 shafts are really weak.

... There is also stronger material of main shaft available at the shop I bought all metal parts in Hong Kong but it is expensive for me...almost 4 times compared to the original shaft.
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helibob
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Location: White Plains, NY

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After a messy rebuild after a wind crash 2 weeks ago, and clearing up a tail wag issue, I finally got to fly today, The 300DH performed beautifully with a 2450 Tanic,22Th pinion. 13min leasure flying. I did move my battery to an angle down from the battery. MUCH better CG.
My TREX I have to watch, it's so quick. The EP is so docile next to it. AND I'm not complaining!!

Fly Now, Pay Later. Crashing is just a way of not forgetting how it was built.
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Qooo
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xchurchx

did you change the main shaft instead of polished it?
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Qooo
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I had a modified main shaft on hand now which fits Align 450's whole rotor head system and fits Kyosho EP400's bottom parts(main gear). I will just to fit everything on and take some pictures today ...
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Qooo
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Check out some pictures I took tonight ... I put everything I have on hand to my EP400 now.

They are
1) metal bearing holder.
2) a modified main shaft fits Align 450 motor head.
3) a whole motor head of Align 450X from my buddy ... heehee ...

The way I modify this heli is to try to use all original parts from EP400. I use original aileron servo tray on the LEFT side. I use elevator servo tray on the RIGHT but install the servo in the other way. With the above 2 servos face out, we can have the front 2 balls of CCPM swashplate in balanced position. I use the half of the elevator lever at the back to be third servo connector.
What else I need to do now is to find a mount to hold the elevator servo.
If it can fly, it will be a CCPM version of EP Caliber 400.

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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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I've done a little experimentation on my EP to sort out the excess play in the collective mechanism.

I dismantled the MR shaft piece-by-piece last night. The first thing I noticed is that the Z-bends are a pretty darn tight fit in the various holes in the levers (washout levers, and bell-hiller mixing levers. There really is no noticeable play in the Z-bends in the head).

The ball links on the MR grips are a good tight fit, no play there.

A few weeks ago, I sawed the plastic balls off the swashplate, and replaced them with balls and screws from my T-Rex spare parts. Though this made an improvement in the quality of the balls, but the washout links and flybar control links were a sloppy fit on the T-Rex balls.

Grabbing the head, then twisting the MR blades showed that a large amount of the play was due to the loose fit of the washout links on the swash balls.

I dug around my box-o-spares and found a bunch of Kyosho balls. I think I ordered them a long while back when I had a bad crash with one of my Caliber 30's and needed to replace some of the missing balls.

Then, I whipped out my digital calipers. What I found is that the T-Rex balls average about 4.69 - 4.70 mm in diameter. The Kyosho balls measure on the average, about 4.75 mm in diameter. This is good.

I replaced the T-Rex swash balls associated with the washout levers, and immediately got a good, slop-free fit of the balls. At the same time, the majority of the play in the MR blades vanished. This is even better. All balls on the swashplate are now Kyosho metal balls, and the links fit much better all the way around.

I'll see if I can dig up the part number for those balls and post it when I find it.

Next, I took a look at the pitch slider mechanism. I was looking for vertical play in the slider, as Dwight and others had posted about making shims that go under the E-ring to remove the play. What I found was that there was very little, if ANY vertical play. BUT -- the little plastic ball of the pitch control lever that fits in the hole in the side of the pitch slider is a different story. The plastic ball is a loose fit, and allows a large amount of slop in the collective system.

I removed the slider and dismantled it. I also took the pitch control lever off the frame and trial fit the two by hand. As I said, the ball is a loose fit in that socket.

Enter my X-acto knife, a 3/16 inch drill bit, and a 1/16 inch drill bit.

The plastic ball is about 3.8 mm in diameter. I whacked it off, then sanded what was left of the stub so that it was flush with the surface of the pitch lever. Next, I used a pin-vise and a 1/16th inch drill bit to drill a hole in the center of where the plastic ball used to be. I took one of my 4.75 mm diameter spare Kyosho metal balls, and using a screw borrowed from my T-Rex stash, screwed the metal ball on, in place of the plastic one I'd just cut off. I put a little dab of CA on the screw where it came out the other side of the pitch lever, then hit it with accelerator.

Next, I removed the E-ring from the pitch slider, took the metal bushing out, and removed the two ball bearings. I drilled the existing hole in the side of the slider out using a 3/16th dia drill bit. Next, using a smaller diameter drill bit and some 400 wet-or-dry sandpaper, I carefully enlarged the drilled out hole until the new ball fit without binding, but was careful not to introduce slop into the fit.

The 4.75 mm diameter ball is too big to allow the two bearings to fit back into the slider, while allowing the bushing to be reinstalled and putting the E-ring back on. Soooooo...

I cleaned the varous parts in alcohol, then using a microbrush, painted a thin film of GREEN loctite on the inside of the pitch slider where the ball bearing outer races seat. I put the bearings in, but did not drive them fully home. Instead, I put the pitch lever with its new metal ball into the hole in the side, then CAREFULLY pressed the two bearings in, making sure they did not bind on the metal ball. Using the same microbrush, and the GREEN loctite, I then carefully wicked green loctite into gap between the outer race of the bearing, and the inner surface of the pitch slider.

I set the assembly aside for about a half an hour to let the loctite cure.

Next, knowing that I was not going to be able to reinstall the E-ring, I used a new microbrush to put a film of RED loctite on the parts of the bushing that fit into the inner race of the ball bearings. I slowly pushed the bushing back into the assembly, and again, set the assembly aside for about a half an hour to cure.

Once things set up, I reassembled the MR mast. The pitch control works just as good as it did in its original configuration, BUT -- the play in the collective system is nearly gone. The only play that is left, arises from the small amount of play between the washout slider and the MR shaft.

I'm a bit worried that the assembly may come apart since it's relying upon red and green loctite. I trust the loctite based on past experience, but you just never know for sure!

I took the heli out to the driveway this evening after work and hovered it, flew it forward, backward, sideways, up and down -- exercising the collective and the rest of the MR controls as best I could in the limited space.

The heli feels a lot "tighter" now with all that slop out of the collective mechanism. Time will tell if the loctite holds up, but until then, I believe this fix will be worth the risk. If I had access to a good lathe, it would be easy to take a little material off the bottom end of the bushing to allow the E-ring to be installed.

Dave
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Qooo
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I made a little hovering with CCPM EP400 just 10 mins ago. It's ok. I will try it again after dinner. I tried to buy Hitec 56 HB for rudder servo but they are all out of stock in the market in Hong Kong. I found Futaba 9650 but it is a way too expensive for me.

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Qooo
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Location: Hong Kong

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Dave,

I cut out the plastic part before the motor so that I can slide the battery in. I will take some pictures and upload to here tonight.
See if you like it in this way...?!

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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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You've put a lot of work into your EP. Especially the CCPM mod with the Align head.

As for whacking up the frame for the batteries, it looks workable, I just have this aversion to sawing up my heli!

How does it fly now with the mods you've made?

The last two evenings, I've come home from work, taken the little EP out in front of the house and relaxed a bit, flying around in the limited space. My collective pitch fix now has about 20 minutes worth of easy flying under its belt and the loctite is still holding.

Dave
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Qooo
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I only tried the short period of hovering because it was too windy yesterday. I set the lowest pitch with 0 degree and my EP400 could still be staying 1 meter high from the ground so that I stopped testing its CCPM & CG. Today it is raining so I might try to have a flight test tomorrow morning.

Now I would say the head is a bit heavier so I will try to move my rudder servo away from the frame and if it can help.

Today I bought HDS-877 servo by accident. I am excited to test this servo on my EP400.
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