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DangerousDick
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Location: Cheshire, England

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Hi All,

I just picked up a 'mint' 2nd hand LOGO10 complete with all the brushless stuff and 12 cell packs.

I even had to finish off the canopy (can see why it wasn't done before though )

Set it up for the '3D' suggestions in the book but found I had to 'wind' the pitch throw up quite a bit to achieve the full +-12 deg.

Will be trying it out tomorrow - weather dependant of course

Anyone got anything to say about these things??

Cheers
Richard.
08-30-2002 Over year old.
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E-gpeden
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Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

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Hi Richard,

Once you get started, the canopy isn't that bad to make. I gave some hints in my review. After close to 200 flights (and one landing incident), my canopy still looks brand new.

The Mikado CF fins are very light and a nice touch.

What motor and pinion did you get? Keep it below 1600 rpm if you do not have thrust bearings installed. After watching Ralf from Mikado do his nice graceful aerobatic routines at only 1550 rpm for a couple of days, I'm going to be cutting back from 1850 rpm I think

Have fun!

Cheers!
Glen
08-31-2002 Over year old.
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DangerousDick
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Well, I took it up today.....

Set the ESC to heli mode to get that 'govenor' effect and set straight line throttle curves to 50,65,85, and 100 percent.

It was extremely windy today and I found that anything less than 85 gave a distinctly 'wobbly' feel.

Tried to measure the headspead with a 'plank' rev counter and found that it ranged from 2100 @ 50 to 2500 @ 100 - surely that aint right???

Flew it around a little but it didn't seem to climb very well, checked the pitch range at +-11 degrees so can't put my finger on it just yet.

Motor : Fun 600-15
Pinnion : 13t
ESC : 40-6-18
Batteries : 12 x 2400mAh Sanyo packs
Blades : NHP Sport 500mm

I'll check out the reviews to see if I can pick anything up.

Cheers
Richard.
08-31-2002 Over year old.
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DangerousDick
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Managed to get hold of a 'sky tach' today (thanks Nigel) and re-check those RPM's - I must've been measuring the paddles aswell as the blades yesterday as the range was from 1000 to 1250.

So at 100% throttle I'm only getting 1250 rpm - not enough for what I need, guess I'll have to get hold of some larger pinions.

Richard.
09-01-2002 Over year old.
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Eco8gator
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Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

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Hello

If you can, sell your Kontronik and get the Hacker B50-11L and a 13 tooth pinion. That is what Gary Wright uses and he tosses heli heli around pretty hard.

Also, you may need a tougher ESC like the Schulze 45Ho, the Smile(if that is the one you have) doesnt seem to like the loads put on it by the motor causing it to burn up.

Carlo
09-01-2002 Over year old.
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steph280
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Location: Irvine, California

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13 teeth on that motor is too low. Go either 15 or 16T, or run 14 tooth with 14 cells. This motor should toss it around pretty good if you up your cell count.

B50-11L is too hot for most sports fliers. People have reported flying time of 3 min range with 2400 mah packs. With your motor, increase the voltage (cell count) and reduce the throttle will have the same effect, but with lower current draw, thus longer flying time. Only penalty is increase weight.

Agree with Carlo on the ESC. I run the same thing on a Voyager without problems, but that's 10 cells and smaller heli. Kontronik Beat or Schulze Future 45Ho may be a better option.

Stephen
09-02-2002 Over year old.
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xcelllogo
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Location: San Diego

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I love my Kontronik 600-18 and the 15 tooth but the hacker will work fine as well.. I also run a straight line curve at 75% in Gov mode. The Schulze 45ho is a great speed control but we can no longer get them the new Future 5# (or by cell count & amperage) will be out soon and that will rock (no more heli or airplane) it will all be in one. All you have to do is choose your cell count, amperage and mode and you are all set. I will put a full test on my web site as soon as they come in. If you want to visit with me I will be at the Chicago show this weekend.... The new Logo 24 (or 3D model) will hopefully be out soon!! Reports so far are larger blade grips, 4mm flybar instead of 3mm, driven tail, larger spindle and more. I will send the reports your way when I get the info I can't wait to see what comes out next..

Adam
09-03-2002 Over year old.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

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B50-11L is too hot for most sports fliers.

I'm getting 4 minutes of 3D and a minute of hovering or low level flight. I run a head speed 1680 at 85% all across. I use a 13 tooth with the 11L along with 12 cell 2400's. This seems to be an excellent combo. My 45 Ho and the Hacker both run around 150 degrees F., my 2400's get up to 160 degrees. More runtime would be nice but sacrificing performance I feel would not be a good trade off.

Rick
09-03-2002 Over year old.
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gwright
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Location: Melbourne, Fl

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I get around 6 minutes now with the 11L and 13 tooth pinion,..but I'm using 3000 panasonic hydrides, so duration is a bit more than 2400 nicads. I'm also running 90% on the governer now for lots more rpms. I know of two cases where people complained about 3 minute flights with 2400's and both of them had 15 tooth pinions on the 11L. The 11L hacker is a very high KV motor, and just one tooth more on the pinion is a DRASTIC change,..hence their low flight times. it is, however, pretty "ballistic" with 15 teeth . I shoot for 6 minutes of flying,.. with about 5+ of hard 3D, then some "playing around" at low level,.. piro/backwards/sideways circles and 8's. I actually enjoy that more than the hard 3D,.. as it's much more difficult to do smoothly,.. but everyone wants to see full 3D,.. so I generally fly that way in "public", so to speak. If I run 75% governer and just fly around low level like that I get over 8 minutes,.. have even hit 10 once,..being very smooth. Flight time is very much dependant on flying style,.. the more abrupt you are with things (banging the sticks) the lower your flight time,..and it's an exponential relationship. I average close to 30 amps throughout a flight,..hence 6 minutes on 3000's,.. but hover current is about 22~23 amps, and if you load it hard, it can surge to well over double that. I've let a few other people fly my 10, and one of them got a 4 minute flight,..the only difference being flying style.
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DangerousDick
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Got hold of a 15t pinion today - £5.99 (a bit steep for a cog??).

Also got hold of some MS 'Night Blades' @ 515mm - measured up against the current NHP Sport 500's they don't really seem any bigger because of the 'taper' at the tips so can't wait to try 'em on the Logo - if they're too much for it I can always 'bang them on' an old 30 for sum fun .

Won't get around to any more 'playing' till the weekend now so will post results then.

Cheers for all the info
Richard.
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DangerousDick
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Managed to get some more flying in this weekend and 'tached' the head @ 1420 at 100% throttle - with the 500 sport blades.

The feel was a lot more spritely than before but I still felt I needed a little more.

With the MS night blades on there was a smoother feel and there didn't seem any drop in performance but the sounds were nice.

After an eight minute flight the feel of the motor/ESC/NiCAD's wasn't bad at all but I don't know whether to risk a 16t pinion just in case it sends the combination 'over the top'. Am now looking at the cost of the 600/18 motor, or the Hacker alternative - anyone out there with the 'high performance' motor who would prefer more duration and consider a swap with my 600/15?

I did 'try' the odd loop/roll on Sunday but I'm sure my cyclic response isn't 'turned up' enough as the manouvres started so slow that I chickened out for fear I would run out of time/height to complete the manouvre. Anyone out there flying there LOGO10 with a PCM10X and wish to share any settings with me, or anyone measured the cyclic pitch they're using on there setup??

Cheers
Richard.
P.S. Those night blades are really WICKED at night
09-09-2002 Over year old.
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Jason Merkle
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Location: Las Vegas, NV

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Firstly, make sure you DONT run your throttle at 100%! If you do that, then there is no room for the governor to work with to add power if it is required. Running at 95% max is a good idea, which leaves a little added room for the governor to work. Also, if you keep it at 100% all the time in governor mode, the ESC works harder than it needs to.

The best Hacker motor right now is the B50-11L. It gives the power of the Kon. 600-18 motor, but on less cells and a smaller pinion! The 600-18 ususes a 15-16 tooth pinion and 14 cells for 3D - the Hacker only requires a 13 tooth pinion and 10-12 cells for 3D power! Thats less weight and less cells with more power for even higher overall performance. You can get the motor here:

http://www.fxaeromodels.com

Skip the 600-18 and go with the B50-11L.

To increase your cyclic, add the KSJ .30 sized paddles. Use them in the front hole and the cyclic rates go up quite a bit!

A note on using more powerful motors - when you start spinning over 1600 RPMs at the head, you MUST get the thrust bearing upgrade. If not, you run the risk of blowing the bearings in the grips! The 11L motor on 10 cells around 90% throttle gives around 1500 RPMs - excellent for basic and intermediate aerobatics. The same motor on 12 cells at 90% yields nearly 1800 RPMs for outrageous power!

Good luck,

Jason
09-10-2002 Over year old.
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DangerousDick
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Thanks for the tips, I'll check out the Hacker details next.

I got some KSJ paddles for my VR a few years back and fully appreciated the difference it made on that heli - I may still have them, I'll have to check and dig 'em out.
Is there a tendency for the heli to 'pitch up' with the KSJ on FF flight?

Cheers
Richard.
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steph280
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Location: Irvine, California

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Another alternative is Hacker B50-13L, which has slightly higher KV than Fun600-18 but less than B50-11L. But if you run 14 cells, similar power is achieved with longer duration of 5-6 mins, with slight weight penalty.

A local flier runs 16cell CP1700 pack on his Hacker B50-15L motor. That thing is a rocket! The bottom line is, you might want to consider increasing cell count instead of replacing motor.

Mine does not pitch up on both the front and rear holes. I am running -12% exponential.

Stephen
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