I have recently got one... cannot wait for the weekend to try it.

Cheers,
Yours,
Mr Joe Public... and member of Elmer Fudd moose hunting expeditions

Hi.
these assumptions of support / sponsorship is rediculous. What happens is that CSM cast a few units on pilots to see what they think.
Old timer flyers, your agressive ones and some that are known for having rather ruff examples of machines, (no names!)

I would assume that Futaba etc will do this too, but maybe they send them to their factory sponsored pilots etc.
With csm they clearly send them to pilots who are no sponsored by them. Like Stevern who has two gy601 gyros because he did not get on with the 560 after his Millenium changed.

I did get superb results when I fitted the test 560 micro . that machine was a bit different to many in that I had a 7.5:1 ratio thus the engine was runing at 12500rpm.
Since I changed that to a c spec and 8:1 I had problems.
I have currently got a gy601 in my second machine.

It would appear that my current machine is above the norm somehow in smoothness or something because my gain setting is higher than expected.
I can only comment on mine and as it is, I am gob smacked at how good it is..
It might suck in others and I would hope that CSM have cast enough out to different machine owners to be sure that this time there is not a "picky" issue.

It is good to see that others not linked with sponsorship have flown or abserved first hand how locked these initial examples are.

hey big chopper.. Would you like to confirm that you are not yet another one of these so called CSM sponsored pilots PLEASE!.
I know it, but assumptions will be made if you like it..
if you don't PLEASE post the findings because and "pickyness" needs to be fed back..
Si

Smooth 3d should never go out of fashion!

hey big chopper.. Would you like to confirm that you are not yet another one of these so called CSM sponsored pilots PLEASE!.

I signed off as Mr Joe Public... So, no, I'm not sponsored by CSM.. I, like everyone am very happy to be one of the few who get a first glimpse of this new baby inside my BigChopper..
Up until now I have had GY601's in my Dyna-X's and 560's in 3DNT and R50.

What is great about this new one is that you can (amongst other stuff) set the tail servo speed to match the one you have... cool

Si, u want one to stabilise your moose gun? If you're shooting from Leicester you cannot tolerate any drift, especially in the wind.

re gy601 whip in piros

... yes, I have seen that too...

Csm approached us knowing full well we have been running
Futaba 601s. We have not had any involvement with CSM.
But have just been asked to give an honest opinion on the
product!

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Simon and Steven

I didn't really have the intention of getting into a heated debate. You both now admit to having problems with the 560, but where are the previous posts that indicate this? You both gave rather glowing reports of the gyro early on, but now say that it didn't always work so well. Forgive me, but I don't want to wait for the CSM 980, or whatever it will be called, to come out before I find out what the problems are with this one. I have no affiliation with Futaba or CSM and no one gives me products to test or for any other reason. My only connection with the companies in question is to have bought and used their products once they have been released on the open market. Rather than besmirch anyone's reputation, I'd prefer if you'd send me a PM if you'd like more details. Thanks. steve.

But have just been asked to give an honest opinion on the product!

Absolutely! I agree totally. You cant develop the product without input.

Evolution of the product is a natural part of the design process.

Stu

www.waterfoothelis.com

sounds very promising. after i dissed csm in the same thread ade mentions, i would gladly try one again. if colin has a product to match the CS now then this should be a good combo.

i'm torn between getting a 611 now or wait on this 720. decisions. untill i seen the 720 for myself it would have been a no brainer for me.

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

(did I mention I love that radio??)

I do too. I nearly didnt want to give it back.

www.waterfoothelis.com

Hi.

I am glad things are becoming a little clearer as the the nature of the heli guys who are getting one of these uncased units to try. As far as I know there are only two pilots that are linked with CSM. Russ and Duncoln.
As long as I have the combination of machine, engine etc that I have now, I will remain of the opinion that this unit is better than anything else tried.
God knows what it will be like when they put a case round it or in any other machine.
Who knows, when I get a different heli, say a synergy that is not even out, it might give problems.
At least it would appear they are banging quite a few of these out to all sorts of guys.
Dorset boy is a great addition to this network of independant testers. I have seen that lad fly his machines with gy601 in and it will get plenty of cool 3d throw at it in a pred for sure. His helis rock and roll with the gy601 for sure!.
And Big chopper is a bonus too. He will no doubt be able to comment on how it flys with half a flybar and what sort of G-forces it will take during a crash without damaging the sensor..

I am glad that csm is going to put an adjustment in regarding this dead band thing that Adrain law has just mentioned, because I don't know what he is on about!. Sozz ade but the thing feels perfect. My stick is right on the ball at mid position. Progressive. I do have an 8700g where as you may have a different one.

I wonder what all those other plugs are for? Looks like they have built in some interface potential there??

Si

Smooth 3d should never go out of fashion!

I'm keeping an open mind on this one.

I'll just spend my money on one when they come out and try it.

If it works as good as my Revmax I'll be pleased.

Terry

Hi Ade
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply, I've spent the evening removing the Volz and fitting a Rap90/QuickUK tail servo mount..

Will try initially with a spare 9253 then maybe get an 8700g or wait on the 720 combo.

Either way a 401 would (in my not so humble opinion be a bit of a girly cop out)

Paul

HI.
Like ade I am not going to bother with Colinb unpleasant contributions.

Ade.
you really are trying to deaply analise the 720. Fair play, but I just shoved the thing in, did the setup and went out and flew.
Then I adjusted the piro rate with atv and then upped the gain.

I figured that the end user is simply going to do that. Forgive me, but I don't think I need to tap the trim one at a time to analise how many it takes to make it move. if it don't drift thats fine with me ta.
And I like the feel of the stick. I can't perceive a dead band like expo.

I will be interested to here from Dorset boy and Bigchopper as to what they think of the initial feel. I don't remember Steven G commenting on the dead band?? Steve, did you feel an odd expo like dead band at mid stick?
It was mentioned before that comparisons will be made with this one and the latest gy611 from futaba. Does anyone know what that has to offer over the gy601 other than the choice of servos?

Si

Smooth 3d should never go out of fashion!

Hi Reesy,

I am still not convinced that the 'modified' Volz servo is a good match for any Gyro. The original one I tested just felt plainly more mis-matched that a 810 G in every aspect and Rev Models never did send the modified version to try. I think you will see a big improvement from going to a full blown servo and please do let us know the results.

Hi Simon,
I have seen a few requests for a photo of the 720. All examples are un-cased but feel free to post a photo to allow for a feel of the size of the unit (or anyone else post for that matter). I also see ya point on allowing slightly softer stops for the grace of the tail gears! With reference to cheaper lower spec servos... this gyro will not support anything but digital servos and the only currently recommended servos will be 9251 / 9253 / 9254 and 8700G.

Hi Ade,
No competition succes I know... but you fly pretty cool and I really do value your 100% honest if somewhat legendary LOUD input CSM are putting the dead-band adjustment on both modes now so they could be independantly adjusted to suit anyones flying style... so you ask and thee shall be given

On the errr battle notes:
Personnaly, I could always get great results on V-3 gyros, but I did have to work to get the machines running nice and smooth. The general feedback from most V-3 customers was great... but I am the first to admit there was too higher percentage of unsatisfied customers to ignore their issues. The problem is that changes to software or sensors can not be achieved overnight and this has taken time. So to be sure of success in what is now a very demading market place, the level of beta testing is going to be as high as prototype numbers allow on this gyro over a broad varieity of machines, flying style and set-ups.

I would like to personnaly thank all involved for what is extremely great input and would like to emphasise just how valued this and all forthcoming feedback truly is.

Thanx once again,

RussD.

Can a gold hearted soul please post what the main differences between the 720 and the 560V4 are?

I want to know what I am missing and if for my level of flying it makes any difference.

I am pretty sure lots of pilots will be asking the same questions.

Appreciated.

It's hard to see the light when the fridge door is closed

hi Simon

Steve, did you feel an odd expo like dead band at mid stick?

well i understand what Ade is saying about this but on my 601's i ran 15% expo to keep slight rudder in-puts as small as possible..i have no expo in this gyro and feels much the same as when i had expo in my 601...

i have only had about 5 flight and can only tell people what i found..this was a very quick set up and go fly...the tail was locked as good as if not better than my 601...and i cant mention enough how good the piro consistancy is,it blows the 601 in to touch.. my tx Gain is not that critical..any were from 70 -110% saw no change in performance..
i did find the stops to be a little soft ..left stop is good but right was soft..
this is most likely due to me not setting the non HH mode up first... as i dont get enough travel to the right..(this will be fixed next time i go)

this to me will be a easy problem to solve ..

Regards

Steven Gerrard

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Jackheli,

The difference is, the 560V4 is the older type of sensor as always used with the 560 series, but with V4 software. The V4 software update for existing CSM 560 pilots had come about due to lessons learnt while developing the 720 and gives people a chance to upgrade their 560 if they so wish at very low cost... I'm sure RussD would correct me if I am wrong, but this is my understanding.

The SL720 is an all new silicon sensor gyro (described earlier in the thread) which is still in a pre-production state, due to be released soon. CSM are looking for constructive comments and input from some pilots so they can make any improvements if neccessary.

Hi.

On the question of difference between the 560 v4 and 720.
If we leave out performance improvements and talk spec, then first it allows the pilot to use a 9251 which makes the fourth gyro i know of to use it.
(gyroner, gy601, gy611 and now 720).

Russ has answered the question on servo choice in that the 560 could use all sorts from 148 basics to 8700g etc, but now the 720 can only use digitals. So where as a beginner might feel like getting a 560 gyro to start and a basic servo, thinking he will upgrade servos in the future, he would have to invest in a more pricey servo to use the 720.

This new sensor is supposed to be less picky with vibes and heat I think. I got the impression that the whole project revolved around a potentially better sensor, or maybe it would not have been done?

other than that, as I see it, the 720 has the same functions as the previous 560's. Heading lock selectable on or off, gain from tranny, piro rate from rudder atv and interface to tweak to taste the things like stops.

It is smaller than the large cased CSM gyros and bigger than the micros. I'll take my digi cam home from work tonight, and try and pop a pic and shove in this thread.

Bigchopper

The SL720 is an all new silicon sensor gyro

the question was asked earlier if this sensor is the same as used in the gy601/ 611. I heard it was not. From you putting 'all new' does that mean it is not the same sensor, thus we are talking first here?
Si

Smooth 3d should never go out of fashion!

Thanks Russ
I just wonder if sometimes manufacturers are a little TOO coy on what will and will not work with their products, I don't think it does either's reputation any good trying to match 2 mis-matched products like the Volz and CSM (reminds me of the good old "golden ears" syndrome from my HiFi days )

Anyway the obvious question .. since the beta 720's have been specifically targetted at known 601 users have any of these guys got a chance to try the 611 because in a few months it's all going to be 611 v 720

And not a moose in sight .. thank de good lord you guys have side stepped that particular pitfall

Paul

Hi
Reesy.

And not a moose in sight .. thank de good lord you guys have side stepped that particular pitfall

indeed, chief moose was smart enough to give it a rest too.
the young chap is a very highly repsected pilot for sure. I reckon they do need a 720 unit to try!!

any of these guys got a chance to try the 611 because in a few months it's all going to be 611 v 720

two minds of another thought there.. I don't know any one near me with a gy611, which is why I keep asking what any one knows of this unit.. Like whats different?
Tell you what, I'll at least phone ripmax and ask if the buyer knows.

Si

Smooth 3d should never go out of fashion!