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e-E-Flite Blade MSR CP CX MCX 400-3D > Horizon Hobby Blade CP Sticking Collective Problem Resolved For Free!! :)
 
 
deafheliflyer
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Location: Arizona

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I've been flying with the acro kits main motor, heat sinks installed and a TP 3120 Lipo cell. Great combo





I think you meant 1320 lipo not 3120!!!!!!

LOL
06-19-2005 09:38 PM
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deafheliflyer
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Location: Arizona

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		by the way

By the way,, this method took away my sticky collective situation so it works!!!!

Michael
06-19-2005 09:38 PM
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ImRich
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Location: Derry, NH USA

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TP 3120 Lipo cell. Great combo


Don't you mean 1320!?!?!? 3120 would be HUGE!


I have the TP 1320 and it will fly the heli for a long time! But it seems a bit heavy for aerobatics. I can't do a decent loop or roll with it. It sort of flops over.

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06-20-2005 09:23 PM
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aileron bail
Senior Heliman
Location: The guy with the dog named Aileron

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Heli_eBrook how much do you need i sure we can raise some money for you to leave we dont anymore anti american people in the USA theres enough of those over seas...... see ya If your not going to stand behind our troops ...Please stand in front of them
06-20-2005 11:30 PM
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marked23
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Location: Lynnwood, WA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I just saw one of these Blade CP helis at the field. It looked pretty good for a micro.

Anyway, this bit with the bearing, then small washer, then big washer: This is a common build mistake on the Hawk Sport. When I saw the pictures, I recognised that Boyd is right. This exact same problem happens with the Hawk Sport... and the fix is exactly as Boyd describes it.

The new Hawk Pro uses thrust bearings in the blade grips now... so it can't happen with the newer Hawks.

Just thought you'd like to know that we've seen this problem before on a nitro heli.

-Mark
06-20-2005 11:57 PM
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skyboy-8
Heliman
Location: Marietta, GA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I just looked at the Hone Bee 2 CP, new version, exploded view and it shows the blade holder assembled incorrectly, i.e. screw, small washer, large washer, bearing. I confirmed that my swash plate slid easily, in the process I observed that one of the ball links was snapped in place not tangent to the swash plate. This can lead to binding. I will next reverse the washers as recommended earlier. Hope you don't mind my HB 2 info here, as I beleive that they share the same heritage.
06-21-2005 12:54 AM
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jeffjets
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Location: Albany, NY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		if anyone can answer a few questions on doing this fix pls shoot me an AIM at jeffjets00, rather talk to someone on there instead of doing multiple posts on here thanks. Mostly wondering how much of the helicopter I need to take apart to get to these washers.
06-21-2005 05:56 AM
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midwestpilot
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Location: Crystal Lake, IL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		sorry...I am going to answer you here...

cause then all get the answer not just you.....ya see that is the beauty of forums.

you only need to remove the blades...
then the screw in the blade holder that go into the spindle.

the only difficulty you may have is after you loosen one side the other wont loosen...so you have to push the spindle out through the other blade holder. The problem is there is no way to hold the spindle from spinning while still in the heli. This is something the experienced pilots are quite familliar with..but this heli seems to be attracting a lot of new pilots....you will learn a lot before you are through with this hobby...that is what makes it fun!

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175
06-21-2005 02:23 PM
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jeffjets
Heliman
Location: Albany, NY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		thanks =) I just didn't want to crowd the thread with newbie type questions but you gave me exactly what I wanted to know =)
06-21-2005 04:06 PM
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jeffjets
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Location: Albany, NY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I am having a terrible time getting the screws apart now, they go counterclockwise like all the others to come apart correct? Figured it was better to stop and ask than maybee tighten them down even more =P

edit: before anyone asks yes I am using 2 allen wrenches, one on each side
06-21-2005 05:48 PM
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midwestpilot
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Location: Crystal Lake, IL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		yes they are standard

I have a real nice set of handled allen wrenches so I did not notice if it was hard to break loose...but it is indeed a standard screw

Righty tighty
Lefty loosey


In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175
06-21-2005 06:38 PM
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altnaut50
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Location: Pensacola, Fl

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Just wanted to say thanks to Horizon I sent my blade in for the collective sticking problem( before I saw the thread on the mod by hoverup). anyway I got it back within a week and it flies better than ever no sticking collective. They replaced the blade grips not sure about the washers I'll find out though. It flys so good I don't want to touch it yet. I thought it would take longer to get back so I bought another Bladecp which flys great. Now I have 2 hele's that I can't see good. "just kidding" Anyway just wanted to let you know that Horizon stands behind their product. I'm a happy customer. Bill
06-21-2005 07:31 PM
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BunnMan
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Location: Pasadena, Maryland

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My grip bolts weren't terrible to break loose. I held both the allens with the short leg in my hand and the long leg in the bolt and broke them loose.

God bless,

-BunnMan
06-21-2005 08:35 PM
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jschenck
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Location: La Vista, NE.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		typo!

yep - TP 1320 - I don't think the BCP would like a 3 amp pack, even TP!

I tried a loop with it today with the stock battery pack, just kind of flopped out, but this is the first few days of my FFF, so it's probably a lack of skill.

Been flying smooth since adding the washer.x

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..
06-22-2005 05:14 AM
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ImRich
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Location: Derry, NH USA

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tried a loop with it today with the stock battery pack, just kind of flopped out, but this is the first few days of my FFF, so it's probably a lack of skill.


Be careful and try loops/rolls at a very high altitude! I lost my blade in a loop when it flopped in the middle of my third loop. It seems like the tail rotor lost authority and it torqued around. It did this each time but on the third loop I wasn't able to recover in time! So I'm waiting for parts now.

I did these loops with the aerobatic kit, symmetrical blades and the flybar weights all the way in toward the mast and using 1370mAh 3S LiPo. Should be all the 'right stuff', except perhaps the 1370 battery is a bit heavy. I recently purchased a 900 mAh 3S LiPo and will try that when my parts come in.

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06-23-2005 12:41 PM
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aileron bail
Senior Heliman
Location: The guy with the dog named Aileron

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The stock battery is 103 grams and the Thunder power 1320 lipo is 90 grams
06-23-2005 01:17 PM
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lakespinner2
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Location: north carolina

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I've got a tp 1320 lipo for the 'enhanced' Blade as well. It will do the flips and rolls with it onboard. As ImRich said, do them high ! Mine seems to roll over on it's back a little better than it will roll upright, if you're up high it's easy to just fly it out and get it back to upright.

I also have an 1100 mAh offbrand and a tp 900 mAh that I ordered just for it and while I haven't had the nerve to invert, flip or roll the little bird myself, my buddy who's flying it in the video seems to fly them all equally well. He's never commented about the battery weight difference between the different batteries. The enhancement kit seemed to do the trick. It flat wouldn't flip before the kit, even with symmetrical blades. It would hover inverted just fine if launched upside down but landings were a little tough.

To me, it seems a handful with any of the batteries. The movie I posted earlier had the 1320 on the blade in the first part, and the red battery at the end is the 1100 mAh.

I'm having to learn to fly a non-HH heli. I'm more nervous flying this little thing than my raptor or t-rex. I have finally gotten somewhat comfortable with it simply nose in AND keeping the tail under control but if it did one of those uncommanded piros (UCP) when it was upside down or in a roll it would be all over. Even my buddy who's infinitely better at flying any heli than me has some pretty interesting moments (very funny too I might add) when the UCPs show up. I think all the UCPs have happened during upright flight, so far. When he's flying the blade i'd guess he's averaging just under 1 UCP per flight. It doesn't do it every flight but it's almost every flight. It definitely makes it more exciting to watch.

I'm rebuildling the little bird today. Last week while inverted either the glued on (and previously broken) landing gear or just as likely the battery wiggled off and fell thru the blades while it was inverted and high. It tossed the battery in mid-air and while it didn't do much damage it did crack the main frame where the 4 in 1 connects to the rest of the frame. This will be my first go at replacing the main frame.

Make sure the battery and all the parts and pieces are very secure if you're going to flip it.

I still can't get over going to the LHS and buying $3 and $5 parts for a heli. I'm starting to like it even better.
06-23-2005 03:01 PM
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ImRich
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Location: Derry, NH USA

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either the glued on (and previously broken) landing gear or just as likely the battery wiggled off and fell thru the blades while it was inverted and high.


I wouldn't recommend people try to glue parts together which you break due to a crash on this litle heli.

I tried to glue one joint which looked like it was holding very nicely, but it would't stand up to the little flexing which happens in flight and broke again.

If you try to glue something and it doesn't hold up, you'll probably crash again and end up breaking more parts than just the original one creating even more damage than you started with.

For the cost of replacement parts, don't chance it, just get new parts.

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06-23-2005 06:33 PM
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jeffjets
Heliman
Location: Albany, NY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I got it all fixed now and did my first full pack. Managed to get some stready hovering in about 1-2 foot off the ground =) The fix sure did make a difference, now the helicopter actually smoothly takes off and lands. Now to get hovering down more controlled =) I am doing ok with taking off and landing for my first heli but have lost it in a hover a few times. Sure is alot of fun though
06-23-2005 06:44 PM
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Sam Mc D
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Location: Lexington,KY--U.S.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I belive Boyd is headed in the right direction. But, I have read many posts where this didn't help. I have what might be a solution if it makes any sence.
Let me start by saying this is my first heli.
After getting the grips loose I noticed on my bird: (from ouside in) screw, spacer,bearing, bladegrip,bearing flanged washer o-ring.
Would it not make sence to get 2 flanged washers for this?by getting this part?EFLH1162 (this would give you 4 total)
Since I have read that some are not having luck with this fix, and after about an hour of looking(and pulling).
Would it make sence to use the flanged washers on both the inside and outside?
It would seem to me that this will allow the bearing to spin free as a bird,as the head speed rises.
Make any sence?
I have some Photos on my regular site, of what I am thinking of.
http://www.coyotehobbies.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=756
I hope you can see. Like I said I am very new, but after seeing this, I had to ask.
I hope this is not out of line here.
tell me what ya think of it.
Hopefully I will be getting pat1162 tommorrow to try it out.
Sam Mc D
07-01-2005 09:58 AM
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