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Helinutnz
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Hey guys. anyone got this set up?

TJ Pro
hyper 50
MP2
9253 servo on throttle.

I have a powerful engine something is causing the 9253 to move the throttle all the time. that is....I flew it while watching the throttle barrel and when it makes a "missing" noise and the tail kicks back and forth slightly the carby barrel is moving back and forth very fast. I have richened and leaned. Nothing stops the servo "twitching" all the time. I don't appear to have glitches. I swapped the servo and same result. The TJ is detecting a change and the very fast servo is reacting. Turn the gov off and she smooths out!!! Turn it on and I get the "BARP" "BARP" and the flicky tail. (which is just reacting to the throttle changes)

TJ has a magnetic pickup. I know this engine carb combo runs rich in the mid range. time for a 60B carb? Different muffler? mixture servo?

Whaddaya reckon?
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Glenn
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Al Magaloff
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I would work the needles more. Also make sure you have the mechanical set-up correct. ATV's @ 100%, carb open 50% @ half stick zero pitch. If you tend to overspeed in hover, DON'T drag the curve down, WORK the needles! You won't need to buy anything.
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playfair
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I have the same mechs on my R50...
During quick decents I get similar "quick hunting" if tuning isn't "just right".
Keep messing a little, like Al suggested.
Also, do you know what your head speed is? If too slow, the bogging of the engine will lag over the quick throttle response. Mine runs best around 1900 HS.


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Jafa
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Certainly on my Sceadu, OS50SXH with 60L carb and RexMax,
we could not get it to govern down at 1600rpm,
the engine would bark and fart and pluse,
the lowest I can govern this setup is 1780.


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Vigor3DFX
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I had a similar problem with a TJ and a YS91
constant surging.

I turned out to be a calibration issue,
It seems common practise to set the calibration from WOT
(wide open throttle) to fully closed with trim all the way down.

It turns out after some advice i recieved to set the calibration at the low throttle position with the trim in tick over and not fully cut / closed.
Also my throttle ATV's were reduced to 95H 95L (JR)

Worked perfectly after that even set rich.

So you may want to recalibrate and try it?
You do have the calibration set to digi serve mode as well?

BTW. i use the same set up as yours in my evo / Hyper with no problems, just the calibration set a little different as described.

Hope that helps.

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FLYERCLD
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TJ pro problem

Just a shot here but after you re-calibrate and you still have the same problem, check your rec. battery under load to make sure you don't have a cell going bad.
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Helinutnz
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great suggestions. I'll try all.

My throttle atvs. 98% top and 84% bottom. (because the trim takes it down to the 100 % point and engine cut off)

TJ pro set to super servo mode.

Headspeed 1750, and 1900.

hey Al I have always had a bit of a problem getting that perfect setup on the throttle. I make sure at 50% throttle I have the carb arm and the servo arm rod setup at 90 degrees. Set up as close as possible to 100% on the top end. no sub trim. I use the trim on the lower end for engine cut and don't get 100 % atv on the low end. What do you reckon i am doing wrong and how would you go about setting it up? Hey martin what do you do as well?

The battery is something i was going to be changing soon due to it's age but it seems to be cycling ok.

I'll check the setup after suggestions and recalibrate. Anyone know if there are any issues with the magnetic pickup and the ideal gap distance? I set it up as per the instructions.

I am running an enya 3.

RR helped me sort out the transition issue on the hyper. Now If I can just get this thing governing without farting, burping and kicking I'll have an awesome machine. I crashed the other day so she's been rebuilt (only a light auto crash) and sports a new complete freya tail except it still has the sceadu belt cog. (really only so I have commanality with my freya on a few more parts)

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Glenn
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Al Magaloff
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Glenn, the solution is easy, really. Use one of the large servo wheels. Place the wheel on the servo at half stick. Keep rotating the wheel until you find one of the datum lines that hang straight down/straight up, etc. Basically 90* to the servo body. Now drill a hole on that line, that will allow the ATV's to remain at 100%. This is like having a servo arm that's adjustable. Once you have the wheel where you want it, rotate the arm on the carb, so that you maintain the parallelogram.
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Jafa
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Hey Glen,

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I use the trim on the lower end for engine cut and don't get 100 % atv on the low end.


There's the problem (in my view), if the min & max throttle ATV's are not the same this will distort the 50% throttle openning position.

Here is how I setup the throttle:

1) Measure distance between throttle servo horn center screw and carb horn center screw - set the length of the throttle push rod to that length (this will ensure you get the 90 degrees at 50% throttle)

2) Ensure the throttle servo ball and carb ball are at same distance from center, typical 13mm

3) Turn the throttle trim all the way down and ensure that ATL is on (Futaba 9C function which means throttle trim only works at bottom).

4) Move the throttle to wide open - ensure that no binding and that carb is indeed fully open - adjust and note throttle top ATV

5) Move the throttle to full closed - ensure that no binding and that carb is indeed fully closed - adjust and note bottom ATV

6) If top and bottom ATV's are not the same, half the difference and adjust both by that amount - say 100 & 80, subtract 10 from top and add 10 to bottom so you have 90 & 90

7) Now losen the carb horn, move throttle stick to full open, turn throttle barrel to full open, tighten carb horn, go back to step 4 and recheck

That procedure will result in same max/min ATV's, 50% open position will be correct and have a 90 degree angle on the push rod

if you end up with something like 80/80 then you have move the carb throttle ball to a more inner position, say 12mm (or go to a more outer position on the servo)

For what it's worth, that's the way I do all my heli's, hth.

Cheers,
Martin...


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Helinutnz
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wow I had better set a night aside for that when I get home! Some of my wheels are like swiss cheese already with all the holes I put in trying to get my push pulls going nicely on the scooby and the freya.

I gave up guessing and drew it all up using trig and worked out the exact offset the balls needed to be for no binding and it all worked out perfectly. The hardest thing to set up on the model I found.

I'll sort both throttles out when I get home from scratch using the 100 % atv's with the T trim at low idle. (Using JR 9303...same as JR 9xII) and the 90 degree position with 50 % throttle.

cheers
Glenn

Oh by the way i did my first piro flip the other day. Only from upright to inverted but I was able to get it there and hold the inverted piro for a while before turning it into some sort of death spiral that i wasn't trying to do. 100 feet or so up at least so no worries. Then I dicked it in a really simple auto......go figure.
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1st piro flip is a huge step, well done


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