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Micro-Maniac
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Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

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1 piro per full flip is very fast and difficult to mind-meld with - You'd most likely pull it off by accident and never really know how - It'd be a craps shoot.

Better to learn 2 piros per full flip - Break it down into half flips - 1 piro and cyclic stir to take the heli from upright tail-in to inverted nose-in then a 2nd piro and cyclic stir to take the heli from inverted nose-in back to upright tail-in - Try to synchronize the cyclic stick stir with the rotation of the tail of the heli like the stick and the tail are one and the same.

Watch Taipan's animations and study the sync of the cyclic stick stir with the rotation of the tail around the heli mast.

There's a lot going on in this maneuver - Synchronizing the cyclic stirs with the rotation of the heli and timing in the proper collective inputs is all quite a juggle to learn - It'll take some time to get the feel.
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w.pasman
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thanks!
This is the first *correct* animation of the curtis' chaos that I saw here (although there are still sometimes discussions about this is really what Curtis ment).
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I use right rudder as learnt off vids of Curtis' piroflips


So you have the video and can confirm firsthand that this is what Curtis really means with chaos?

I posted a video of it earlier, flown in reflex sim.
10-24-2006 Over year old.
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w.pasman
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		right vs left rudder

He IS using left rudder in the chaos animation
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w.pasman
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I’m not going to tell you what cyclic inputs you need because if you have to be told, then you’re not ready for this maneuver.


I agree. If you can't figure it out from the video or animation you need to learn to have conscious control at all positions during flight.
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Taipan
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		New animation, piro backflip; http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...ro_backflip.zip

See http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t312866p1/ for discussion.
01-16-2007 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Interesting - I've been working on piro tic tocs so I've been doing like half forward and half backward piroflips and was just thinking of going ahead and learning full backwards piroflips next - So cool beans - I also need to work on pirouetting the other direction so I can do full reversals - There's more ways of doing piroflips than I used to realize - Thanks for animating another variation - A lot of us would be stuggling badly without 'em.
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Taipan
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Just thrown this up, one piro per flip; http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...ro_per_flip.zip
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larren
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Location: Malaysia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi,

First I would like to thank Taipan for these great piroflip animations. It does give me an idea of where to start.

I fly mode 1 and I have tried out in Reflex and even with my Trex. What puzzles me is I am not getting the flip (normal to inverted) with a single aileron movement. For example according to the animations, there are 3 points (10, 12, 1 o'clock) which the throttle/aileron stick got to hit before proceeding to the negative pitch side. This I consider a single aileron movement. I have to apply 2 aileron movements or sometimes 3 to acheive a flip (normal to inverted).

Guys....what have I done which is not correct? Any thing that I have missed out? I am pretty sure that I have followed the animations. Please advise.

This is the animation that I am learning with :- http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...ro_backflip.zip

Larr.
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chopperman1
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hey Taipan mabe you can do an animation for piro circles or funnels?

Cliff

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yuktong
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Location: Hong Kong

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Taipan, thank you for your nice job
I now can fly 2piro/flip now
Would you please also add the mode one stick movement on the movie of 4piro/flip?
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Taipan
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Location: Sydney, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi yuktong

Thank you for the compliment. I no longer do animations. Besides 4 piro/flip is hard to follow.

However this is how I learned to do 4 piro/flip. You have to break it up as below;

1) Starting from tail-in do an upright flat piro.
2) Then HALF a 2 piro/flip from tail-in to inverted nose-in.
3) Do an inverted flat piro.
4) Finally HALF a 2 piro/flip from inverted nose-in to upright.

Practice the above and in no time it will blend into a proper 4 or more piroflip!

Cheers,

Kev.
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yuktong
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Location: Hong Kong

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thx Taipan
I will try to break down the stick step of 4piro
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Micro-Maniac
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Mode-1

If it takes one large figure-8 stick movement for a 2-piro flip then I believe it should take 2 smaller figure-8 stick movements for a 4-piro flip
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Taipan
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		That's incorrect, that would imply going from positive pitch to negative pitch & back TWICE as in TWO flips.

For a 4 piro flip, it would look more like two 8's on top of each other. I.e. one 8 in top half with positive pitch and another 8 in bottom 8 for negative pitch.
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Micro-Maniac
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Glad I'm mode-2 - My brain hurts thinking about mode-1
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TmMugen
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Location: Tiny Little Red Dot aka Singapore

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		2 piro per flip? Mode 2: does it means half a circle stir on cyclic?
12-21-2008 04:36 PM
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Micro-Maniac
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Typically 2 piros per flip would be 2 full cyclic stirs per single full flip - 1 full cyclic stir from upright tail-in to inverted nose-in then another full cyclic stir back to upright tail-in again - Each cyclic stir syncs with one pirouette - The larger your cyclic stir the more tumble occurs per pirouette - For example you can fit 4 or more small cyclic stirs/pirouettes into a single full flip or 2 large cyclic stirs/pirouettes into a single full flip - Or even a single very large cyclic stir/pirouette into a single full flip but that just ends up looking like a squigly roll thing rather than a piroflip
12-21-2008 05:11 PM
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Micro-Maniac
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Here's a tip that seems to click well for people I explain it to in person in front of a simulator and/or with radio in hand:

Start from an upright tail-in hover then all in one fluid motion push both sticks forward - The heli will lunge up so that it's tail is straight up - Pull both sticks away from each other and follow the tail around with the cyclic stick in a clock-wise circular motion while simultaneously lowering the collective to end in an inverted nose-in hover

Both up - Split away - Continue full around following the tail

That should get you half way through the piroflip - Just keep the sync through the other half with another cyclic stir while raising the collective this time to end up back where you started in an upright tail-in hover - You just won't be able to follow the tail around through the second half of the maneuver like you could with the first half - You could follow the nose if you pause and restart while inverted nose-in only you'll start with collective down and cyclic up but not if you perform a full fluid piroflip because really we're kinda starting the piros at 1/4 flip and ending at 1/2 flip for the first half then restarting at 3/4 flip and ending at 1 full flip for the second half by pausing at the start and half way points like this

Once you get the feel for it though you can put it together in full fluid then start finessing through it better by popping the collective and crossing neutral just right so that the heli stays in place during the maneuver then later on you can add more stirs/pirouettes per flip
12-21-2008 05:34 PM
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TmMugen
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Start from an upright tail-in hover then all in one fluid motion push both sticks forward - The heli will lunge up so that it's tail is straight up - Pull both sticks away from each other and follow the tail around with the cyclic stick in a clock-wise circular motion while simultaneously lowering the collective to end in an inverted nose-in hover

Both up - Split away - Continue full around following the tail

I tried the above and it works for the first piro but it is hard to keep up with the tail even if it is slow.

Any more suggestion. I want to do a 2 piro per flip.
12-22-2008 01:08 PM
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Micro-Maniac
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Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		That's the best I've got - You just have to keep doing it a bazillion times until your fingers learn the dance - Your stir rate has to match your piro rate and heli orientation - If your stir isn't sync'd with the heli and piro then the heli will just wobble and such rather than tumble - This way you have the tail as visual reference of where your stick needs to be part way through at least - Don't try to rush it too much - Just try to start upright tail-in and end inverted nose-in first to learn the sync then try continuing it full through with the second stir later - Keep trying and it'll come together eventually
12-22-2008 01:14 PM
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