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HIROBO Turbulence - SDX - Freya - Sceadu > 3 bladed Lama easy to fly.
 
 
Bell Bloke
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Well I just woke up at 5am this morning with my newly finished but as yet untested Lama all ready to go and I thought I just couldn’t wait for it to get light outside. So I decided to perhaps a bit recklessly fly the Lama in my front room. Just to test it you understand. Now as you folks won't know there are a few of us that are converting Lamas to electric and some have gone the 3 blade head route myself included. And many of us have heard stories from friends who know this bloke down the pub who’s mate knew someone that had a Lama with a 3 bladed head on it, and said it was an absolute pig to fly neigh impossible. Well folks I'm not a bad Pilot but I would imagine that most of you are more experienced that me as I've only been at this game for 18 months now. But I have to say that when it comes to 3 bladed Lama flying its, well, easy!! As much as I would like to say it was difficult and that you have to be super human to fly this thing it's not and you don't. In fact I would go on to say that it's just about the easiest thing I've flown to date, easyer even than my Bell 47, now I thought I'd never say that because me and that chopper really understand each other!
Smooth WOW is it smooth, and so solid in the air even in my front room with all of that recirculating air it just sits there, and I haven't even set it up yet!!! I tell you guys if anybody tells you that 3 bladed heads on the Hirobo Lama 30 are hard to fly, well Bell Bloke has just flown one in his front room, half asleep and with a dodgy set-up and it was FANTASTIC!! So there!
Seriously Folks, Mr & Mrs Hirobo have done a fine job on this one, I'm a big fan!
Anyway thanks again Gentlmen for your time, I'm going back to sleep now
Here is a picture of the Lama, and it IS really easy to fly!
So easy that my tortoise Fredrick is going to have a go tomorrow.
Oh by the way both the Lama and the Bell 47 are Electric. The way of the future!




All The Best
03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Hovering is not flying. Hard to fly? Probably not. Different in forward flight? Probably so. Nice job on the conversion!
03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Luckylandings
Veteran
Location: Oregon USA

Man! You work on the floor like that?!?!?!?! I would still be stuck right there with sore arse and legs stuck in who knows what position! hehehe
Hummm yoga class to build my heli. No thanks!!!

Cool helis. you got there though!!
03-13-2005 Over year old.
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Ka-man
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

look so good...
waitting for your video of your heli

X-Cell Stratus...Fury Tempest 3D...X-Treme 50
03-13-2005 Over year old.
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Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: ....

Hi Gents, video will be posted soon, when it stops raining and I have done some extensive testing on then reliability of my conversion.  
Al Magaloff, I agree hovering is not flying but the bloke at the local RC-Heli training school said that just hovering a 3 bladed Lama was so bad he never even attempted anything else with it. This nearly put me off the idea of one, but I was so determined to have a (proper) Lama I just got the head anyway and thought I'd sort out the flying issues later. In fact even on this great forum there were some fairly negative rumblings about this head. So you can imagine my delight at 5am this morning when I did my first test hover and shake down in the back room to find, so far, it actually seems rather nice. You are right though hovering is not flying, but I am very encouraged and will keep you posted.
03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
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Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Glad you stuck with it! Consider what most people say, but then go try it yourself! I'm not a real fan of "can't". The only thing I "can't" do, is pass a baby through the special purpose tool. Anything else goes!
03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
I3DM
rrProfessor
Location: Israel

Looks great !! very good job - keep it up !!

www.liorzahavi.com
03-13-2005 Over year old.
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adheli
Heliman
Location: wigan lancs

Got a three blade 30 lama myself, i was told the same that it is difficult to handle, but on my first flight i was suprised to find it was not as bad as i was told i would say it is a bit slower to respond but get used to that and you are off flying around.

REGARDS adheli
03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
HIROBOWEN
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Victoria, Australia.

Hello,

I fly the MRB-III Schweizer 300 and it is a joy to fly certainly not difficult.

It gets a little bit pitchy in fast forward flight or 10-15Kt gusty wind but not to a scary level.

03-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: ....

Thanks Gentlemen, you are telling me just what I wanted to hear. I had been agonising over this issue with my other heli chums, and I was reluctant to go too far with the old scale detail just in case it was a pig and I stuffed it first time out. I now feel a lot better about things. It helps to know the possible flight characteristics as this gives me an idea what to expect. All the best.
03-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Hughes500Pilot
Key Veteran
Location: Anaheim, CA

My Lama flies fine in both hover and foward flight... -Steve

03-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Etan30
Senior Heliman
Location: The Netherlands (EUR)

Hello Lama freaks,

Well i also got one, could some one give me the setup details for the roll of nick function of the three blade. Will go out on the weekend to make my first test flight.

regards

Ed
06-29-2005 Over year old.
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Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Bell Bloke: I've gotta jump in here and say that you did an amazing job on that heli, the weathering is incredible, in the right surroundings, you'd be able to fool anyone into thinking it was full scale. Great job.
06-29-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: ....

Well here is a quick rough set-up guide the headspeed on my Lama is 1500rpm but it is running scale sized 110gram SABs at 550mm. I have set the ATVs on the cyclic to 80per cent.
But MOST IMPORTANTLY I believe.
I have put 150grams of weight in the front! This is as far forward as I can get it. This is because without it, on a still day it will pitch-up a bit, BUT on a windy day it is nearly unflyable. However with the weight up front flying in windy conditions is well, a BREEZE!
So my Lama C of G is actually 3cm/1.2 inches infront if the mast.
I measured this by putting a wooden dowell under the skids to find the C of G, and the balance point is as I say 3cm/1.2 inches forward of the main mast.
If the C of G is level with the mast, the thing will be a real handfull, nay unflyable.
Finally as I say above set your CYCLIC throws so that the swash plate moves just 5mm in any direction from centre stick. Then if your ATVs are set at 80 per cent you can increase or derease this to suit your taste.
One last thing I am running a slow head speed 1400-1500rpm so these pitch settings may not suit you, but you could use them as a guide.
I run +15 degrees -3 degrees of pitch. Good luck and here are some more pics taken at a show of mine doing its thing!
Also my 47 back from a mission and me with my back to camera, in the pits.




06-30-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Dr Lodge
Elite Veteran
Location: Guildford, Surrey - UK

+15 degrees of pitch is a lot, but I appreciate you may need it due to the lower than normal headspeed. Just be aware that your blades may stall on full pitch and cyclic.

Do you know what pitch you're hovering the heli at?

Vibe 90, Vibe 50, Vigor CS x2,
Dyna-x, Knight 503D, Logo 10,
TRex 500, Furion, Gaui EP200
06-30-2005 Over year old.
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Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: ....

Yes it's at a very very high 8-9 degrees and as you say this is due to the weight and low head speed, but this coarse pitch does make a lovely sound that doesn't come across on video. And the the motor will pull right the way through the range without getting bogged down giving a very lively performance if required. The 15 degrees does give you that little extra on a ground auto test, but the likelyhood of an engine out situation should be minimal with electric. However because I tend to fly in the avoid curve all of the time i.e. Slow & Low, any kind of failure on any set-up is likely to be fatal.
06-30-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Etan30
Senior Heliman
Location: The Netherlands (EUR)

Thanks for your help guys.

Just took it out today and have put two tanks trough to run in the engine.

I'm still wondering what is the exact place for the wash out, to tight it on the main mast. With the normal rotor blade jou just keep the balls on the swash plate together. But with the three blade I have no idea?

I have put a pitch maximum of -6 and +10 degrees.

Hope to get some pictures by tommorow.

Thanks

Ed
07-02-2005 Over year old.
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fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Bell,
What Hacker are your running in your Lama?
I also assume that is the Hirobo 30 size?

Very cool and VERY scale looking.

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
07-02-2005 Over year old.
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Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: ....

Hi fitenfyr, it's a Hacker C50 21XL. This gives quite a low headspeed, but I prefer it becuase it looks and sounds more scale, however a 20XL would give more head speed if you wanted. You see the gearing can't really be changed.
07-03-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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