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dragon_not_fly
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Flybar repair trick #1 continued

dragon-arrggghh, I failed to mention you can get
more goodies out of the training gear. Each CF
training gear leg has two of the fairly hard to find,
tight fitting silicon fuel tubing stoppers. This will give
a total of 8 of these nicely cut stoppers for use in
other areas of the helicopter. Another important
area regarding these training gear legs concerns
that of the tail boom support rod. Even though you
can get 4 flybars out of these rods there is still plenty
of CF(Carbon Fiber) rod left for a few replacement
tail boom support rods, not to mention at even greater
lengths than the stock one. The longer length helps
in preventing tail rotor strikes in low flight conditions.
I am sure there could be some use(s) for the orange
colored ping pong balls... In a completely unrrelated
matter, I may have stumbled onto something about how
to reduce the workload on the tail motor without
changing a single item on the helicopter except for
having one of the flybar paddles at a different angle than
that of the other flybar paddle. One day I was just
messing around with the helicopter and noticed that if I
had one of the flybar paddles NOT level with the swash
plate, then the helicopter's nose would yaw to the right as
viewed from the rear of the helicopter which just so
happens to be against the direction of torque. No other
single item was changed on the helicopter. So strong
was this yawing force that I needed to move the rudder
trim tab LEFT or to reduce the amount of volts hitting the
tail motor to make the nose straight again. If this is really
true, the only real side effect would be an increase to the
load on the main motor due to increased drag which would
limit flight times a bit, probably not by much. I think when I
finally get my brushless(BL) tail mod in, I am going to test
this more to see if this effect is really true and there wasn't
other factor(s) involved that day that made it appear to be
possibly true.
07-06-2005 01:22 AM
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Bacteria Man
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Dragonfly fun (sorta)

I received my Dragonfly today and took it out for a quick spin (I know, pretty brazen.)

I found a smooth flat open area (or so I thought--read on) at the nearby school yard. I attached the crash kit and proceed to play around with the controls. I didn't expect to actually fly the thing, but wanted to maybe hover slightly off the ground (way too optimistic for a newbie.) I skipped around some and even flirted with becoming airborne a couple of times when it happened. One of the crash kit arm tips (the part that extends past the ball) clipped a piece of uneven concrete and the heli tumbled on its back. The main rotor actually unsnapped cleanly (nice!), but the stabilizer rod of the smaller rotor broke. The blades themselves are fine though.

I now need to replace the stabilizer rod. This doesn't appear to be a big deal, but after unscrewing the tiny screws with the included wrench the remaining piece of the stabilizer rod will not slide out. I can't see anything else that's locking it in place. Unfortunately I only have a small piece of the rod on one side to grip with needle nose pliers. If this snaps off the rotating frame will have to be replaced too. In this case, I will have to take apart the top part of the assembly, which looks trickier.

The guy in HK I bought the heli from sells parts on eBay:

http://search.stores.ebay.com/searc...3&submit=Search

Any advice on how to remove the rest of the stabilizer rod from the rotating frame would be appreciated.
07-11-2005 06:16 AM
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lightning_au
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Location: North QLD, Australia.

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if you've undone the two grub screws on the rotating frame, the flybar will come out. what i've found happens is the flybar spreads a little under pressure from the screws, and this jams it in the frame a little. if you twist it slightly it should come out fine...
07-13-2005 07:01 AM
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Bacteria Man
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Thanks for your reply. I will give it another try.

However, to be on the safe side I went ahead and ordered all the necessary parts. I also ordered an extra tail motor as these are prone to burn out quickly.

I should hopefully be hoping and skipping around again within a week.
07-13-2005 07:24 AM
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dragon-arrggghh
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Location: selby,north yorkshire england

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ok help needed, got going well again after a few mishaps, but all of a sudden my heli goes out of control while trying to hover( not got the magic 30 seconds yet), i turn the throttle off but the rotors keep spinning fast, eventually it crashes and somthing breaks, its as if there is something else trying to controll it,i'm flying in my back garden off concrete nothing electircal to interfere with it and the servos chatter when i turn the transmitter on but they calm down after a few seconds, ANY HELP WIL BE APPECIATED thanks.
07-13-2005 09:37 PM
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cypher
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I had the same problem once or twice, one day, I was setting my Trim, the Transmitter was switched off, and all of a suddent my blades started turning, almost hit me in the face, but am not sure what cause it.

Anyway, I hope that someone can help me with this, I have the problem that my Dragonfly keeps spinning to the left on take off, my tail motor is set to the lowest level on the transmitter, but this is obvioulsy not enough. Is there anyway to set this on the transmitter or reciever, also, can the Gyro be set on this model?
07-25-2005 01:41 PM
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diesel rotor
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Location: brooklyn park minnesota

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My exsperiances.

I have owned a sabre micro elect for quite a while. I have been flying nitros for many years. I would not recomend to a first time flyer if You are easily frustrated. BUT if You have a strong and stable ego the fixed pitch are a good way to go because if You learn to fly one of these twitchy and VERY unstable machines You will transfer up to nitros with little effort and wonder what all the fuss was about!! BUT if You dont want to spend the bucks for the bigger machines! I have recently aquired a dragonfly#35 with collective pitch and flight modes 1-2. and after a few problems such as the empanage drive gear(the gear that contacts the motor to spin the the tail rotor) That strips with little effort. A tail rotor to ground strike is a pretty guaranteed loss of the teeth so keep the tail rotors a little loose. It seems to be a pretty good machine. If You want to really have some fun. Upgrade to the brushless motor and bigger batteries and this thing WILL scream. it's made by walkera. $189.00 . Ready to fly w/remote. just need 8 AA bats and double/triple check set up. and You're flyin. Suprisingly stable. well as stable as a two foot elect can get. P.S- I love My sabre and in the long time have flown it have never lost a motor. tail or main motor. Although the speed control did fail. it took off like a bat out of hell across my living room with a vengence!!!!!! And I am quickly falling in love with the d.fly. a lot of tweeking and experamenting though. BUT FUN!!! Diesel rotor.

gregory blass
07-26-2005 04:58 AM
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domenic dales
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Location: toronto Ontario

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simulator are not reality

Simulators are not reality.This is why they call them simulators however a g2 or xtr can be made to simulate repetative comands like in hovering.
At least in g2 you can bring up the realism meter to max and the TIME multiplier to max and try that for a while basicly your trying to fly or hover at 150% speed that will bring up ur reactions and ill tell you this after flying in the sim at 150% speed up real flying is easier and when an unexpected situation occurs you dont even think you react and since your used to reacting quicker you can handle it better.

I hope that made sense. Spideysenses with out the sound effect

My money flies better then I do.
07-26-2005 05:39 AM
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suicidesam
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Location: UK Scotland

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Hi all, just a quick question for you dragon_not_fly.. Did you ever find a replacement "chip" or transistor for the all in one receiver that burnt out?? I got a dragonfly myself to learn how to crash lol, but so far i have just had the receiver burn out.. and not much crashing time! It went the same way you described in your second post in this topic... very hot/ burnt out but i lost all control when it was 15 feet in the air, just had to wait for the wind to catch it an throw it down to me! i dont want to go spending loads of money on seperates for this thing, saving the money for a bigger heli that i have been wanting for years! I only bought it as a stepping stone to get me there without the cost of damaging a bigger heli. Any help in tracking down one of those "chips" would be great

Regards Rab
08-02-2005 01:44 AM
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diesel rotor
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Location: brooklyn park minnesota

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control board.

No i have not ordered my new controler yet. i am just going to go to the sabre site and order a new one. the d-fly #35 is also a good way to go till the $ for a big one comes around. 6-chnl. ready to fly $189.00.

gregory blass
08-02-2005 01:53 AM
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mentalmidget
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Rotor blades won't stop

Hi,

I bought a Dragonfly 4 and the first time I used it I powered the helicopter on first then I turned on the controller with the throttle all the way down, the helicopter starter up at full speed and crashed into the sofa, luckily it got stuck on a pillow but when I freed it the rotor blades were still on full power, obviously I powered down the throttle on the controller but nothing happened so I switch the controller off, still nothing happened I even took the batteries out just to be sure but the rotor blades still turned at full speed.
The only way top stop the blades turning was to disconnect the battery on the helicopter, now whenever I plug the battery of the helicopter back in the blades start up at full speed even with the remote off.

Anyone got any ideas how to stop this so I can play with my new toy?
08-03-2005 05:36 AM
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bkuo
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan

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A rule of thumb for RC models, be it cars, boats, airplanes, or helicopters, always, always turn on your transmitter (after checking frequencies with other people if you are at a field) before connecting the power on your model.

If you don't turn on the transmitter first before connecting the power on your helicopter, the result is just as you have experienced.
08-03-2005 04:30 PM
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mentalmidget
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So does that mean my helicopter is now broken forever?
Is there no way to reset this?
08-04-2005 12:08 AM
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nigelb
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Using a different transmitter

Hi

Has anyone managed to use a different transmitter with the stock DragonFly #4?

I have tried a Multiplex 3030, and precisely nothing happens
(The DragonFly tx also fails to power a standard receiver)

Cheers

Nige
08-18-2005 09:04 PM
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suicidesam
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Location: UK Scotland

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Managed to track someone down in the uk that supplies the receivers for less than others! got it back up an running again, but when it was dead i managed to get the funds to streach to a shiney new raptor

Not at the point of even getting it started up though... thats a long way off at the mo, still got to find a helper to get it all set up! Local club here i come
08-18-2005 11:14 PM
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Rogerm069
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Location: Downingtowm, PA USA

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Wish I knew this site was here earlier!

I bought one from hong kong (dragonfly 4) and came quickly but dead, had to send it back, cost me $40 to send, so now with the price of 89.95 for it and $30 shipping and then $40 to ship it back, i got near $160 in it.
Bought a Mini Dragonfly (feda) while waiting.
both came with trainer gear and crash kits, and simulators. The mini arrived and spent 20 hours on the sim and then took the mini up to my livingroom and trimmed it.

Making a short story long, the dragonfly 4 came back and can't trim it or even control it. the mini flys but is alot of work.
Conclusion:
Dragonfly4 will be used as parts for the other one
Mini dragonfly is for messing around in the house.
differences in the 2 only are the mini is individual componets and the 4 is all in one unit.

Went to Nitro!!
electric was a waste of a total of over $350
but i did learn my lesson!!
08-23-2005 08:40 PM
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R0XoRiZoR
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Location: Austin, Texas - US

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Dragonfly 22a

Im thinking about buying this kit.
It is a CCPM kit, with a 6 channel TX
IT has a driven shaft tail, and some decent servo's.
I hope that this machine won't be as much work, but it looks good.
All parts are compatable with the Hornet 2, so im sure its a clone...
what do you think?
08-25-2005 08:18 PM
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dragon_not_fly
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The devil is in the short connectors??

Well, it has been awhile since my last post, but I am
sure you will not be dissappointed with what I have
found with my new setup. The part that I am talking
about in this post is: `004 SHORT CONNECTOR'
as listed in the Walkera #4's manual.

[Current flying setup]
* GWS PG-03 rate/gain gyro
* GWS ICS-300 brushed main motor ESC
* 10 toothed RK-370SD brushed main motor
without a heatsink to save weight
* QTY = 2(HiTEC HS-55 economy sub-micro servos)
* Castle Creations Phoenix-10 brushless tail motor ESC
* Feigao brushless 12mm "gold can" tail motor
* GWS 4530 tail rotor used as a DIRECT DRIVE setup
* Great Planes Electrify 8-cell 9.6 volt 650 MAh NiMH
flight battery pack
* HiTEC Electron 6 micro 6 channel FM(negative shift)
receiver
* Futaba T7CHP computer helicopter radio transmitter
* Physical structure of helicopter all stock, the entire
structure was purchased from rc-expert.com and was
the "bare bones" Walkera #4 DragonFly helicopter; no
servos, mixer board etc...

NOTE: If you have read this entire long winded post that
I have started, you may have noticed that my setup used to
contain a GWS Pico 4 channel FM receiver, do you notice
how it is no longer listed in my current flying setup....?; more
on this later.


Getting back to the post subject of, "The devil is in the
short connectors", to make a long story short, I was flying
on a windy day and had "glitches" in the setup and was
close to trees so I had to set down fast, unfortunately, the
heli tipped over as the blades still had sufficient RPM to break
off one of the ball joints on the rotor head. This rotor head
came with the "bare bones" kit and had a "flat head" as
opposed to the "round" older style Walkera rotor heads used
to have. Since I had no other rotor heads laying around, I
placed in the older style "round" topped head and snapped it
into place. When I went flying I was surprised to find that
after about 4 flights outdoors I could barely maintain a nose
in hover, it was almost impossible, while it was also very
difficult to maintain any kind of stable hover or symmetric turns.
I did not pay attention to it too much since, I was busy con-
centrating on the wind conditions, severe radio glitches at
times and short flight times; more on these later. I remem-
bered one night as I was working on the heli of this problem,
so, this time, not to forget, I removed the short connectors that
came with the "bare bones" kit and placed in the ORIGINAL
short connectors that came with my kit that I snapped onto
the ORIGINAL stock rotor head that also came with the kit; the
one with the "round" head. I took off and could not believe how
much EASIER the helicopter was to fly, this time I could do nose
ins, piros, turns and stable hovers, where before, the heli was
EXTREMELY difficult to fly and was literally NO fun to fly. As
a note, not a single parameter was changed in the helicopter's
setup, except for the original short connectors. The only thing
that I can think of is the diameter of the holes that are used to
snap onto the ball joints on the rotor head are LARGER than
the ones on the original short connectors that came with the kit.
I have no tool in my home capable of measuring these fairly
small tolerances, but I have noticed, beyond a shadow of any
doubt that the STIFFER I get the rotor head/flybar "see saw"
action, the more STABLE and EASIER to fly the helicopter is
while still maintaining good cyclic control response. After I
documented this, I have increased stability further a bit by
placing 2 more flybar collars onto the flybar where the 2 new
flybar collars are right up against where the short connector
snaps onto the joint/housing that the flybar rod goes through.
08-28-2005 12:03 AM
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dragon_not_fly
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GWS R-4PII Pico 4 Channel Receiver(Futaba)

As you may have noticed, I am currently no longer
flying with this receiver on my helicopter as I have
had 3-4 crashes that I can only trace back to this
unit. I have, since replaced this unit with the above
mentioned HiTEC Electron 6(6 channel FM) re-
ceiver and all I can say so far with HiTEC products
is.......they work. Looking at the specs on the GWS
receiver you begin to see some of its short comings,
namely its range. The specified range of operation
is 500 feet, this should be enough for most back yard
flying whereas the HiTEC Electron 6 has a specified
operational range of 1+ Mile / 1.6 Km or more. When
I used to fly with the TREC brushed tail motor setup
and the GWS GWT-4A II FM transmitter I used to see
weird radio glitches that would surface on occassion.
As time went on, they got more frequent, even when I
first got the GWS R-4PII Pico 4, with a fully charged
flight pack to power the heli's onboard electronics and a
fully charged transmitter pack with the antennae on the
radio extended, if I turned my back to the heli and walked
away from it, the heli would on occasion, briefly "spas-out"
or go crazy on the ground. When I went brushless and
with a new computerized helicopter radio, the heli would
"flip-out" on occassion while flying. It got so bad that I was
literally afraid to go flying anymore and I actually grounded
the helicopter until I purchased a new receiver. When I first
purchased the receiver I read threads on it stating that it is
ok if you fly alone, with no other flyers and that you use it in
a low-interference environment. I was a little skeptical of the
claims and wanted to give it a try out for myself since it was
$23 and was very small and light, something desirable for
a micro helicopter. I made sure that the receiver's antennae
was FULLY extended on the helicopter, that it was NOT
touching a single item that conducts and was placed as far
away as possible from the ESCs and motors and was
cushioned as much as possible. Even with that mentioned,
I was unable to supress crash potential radio glitches. After
I went to the HiTEC Electron 6, they have disappeared com-
pletely so far. How do you fly in a low interference environment?
Why would you want to fly by yourself when you have friends
that also fly and you want to fly with them, but are afraid that a
$19 receiver made in Taiwan might not be able to "see" the
transmitter's signal? Why would you want to risk an expensive
eletric powered micro electric helicopter while doing fast forward
flight with a $19 receiver?? I reached this decision after seeing
for myself the actual real-world performance of this device. The
two advantages the GWS R-4PII Pico 4 have over the HiTEC
Electron 6 are size and weight, it is significantly smaller and
lighter than the HiTEC Electron 6, but the HiTEC board has
6 channels...aka, think collective pitch potential(future proofing)
and orders of magnitude better reception capabilities. You draw
your own conclusions...
08-28-2005 12:30 AM
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dragon_not_fly
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Stock Walkera made cyclic control servos

Much have been said about these servos, so I will
not go into too much depth about them. Probably
around the 130TH flight or so of my helicopter, one of
these servos, the left/right roll cyclic control servo
burned out causing me to crash. I noticed while
running it on the ground, that it was HOT to the
touch, but I never stalled it against anything as best
as I can remember. I could not fly, since I had no
spare servos laying around, so I bought a HiTEC
HS-55 "Standard Feather Servo" online and waited
for it to come in. I removed the burned out stock
Walkera servo and ran some tests on it, I determined
that the little motor in it was still good, the gears were
still good and not chipped, but the logic board had burned
out. So much for that servo. After setting-up and trimming
the new HiTEC HS-55 servo I went flying as usual. As a
side note, the helicopter was flying at that time with one
stock Walkera fore/aft cyclic control servo and the new
left/right roll cyclic control servo. Throughout the flight and
on the ground, the stock Walkera servo would chatter as
usual while the HiTEC HS-55 never chattered. I have since
removed the stock Walkera servo and have replaced it with
another brand new HiTEC HS-55. I have had no problems
so far and the HS-55 servos are a good deal lighter than the
stock Walkera servos while also being smaller in size.
08-28-2005 12:45 AM
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