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yoons45

Heliman

Ulsan Korea ( Republic of)

I am now installing revlock on my Evo 50 but had some problems.

My transmitter is Futaba 9Z.
Flight mode controlled by “switch E” (3 points)
Revlock controlled by “switch A” (3 points)

After testing of sensor, I did as follows ;

Flight mode – normal
Revlock switch – mode A, RPM range 11k, offset 2500
Mode B = 0
Next,
Flight mode – Idle up 1
Revlock switch – mode A, RPM range 14k, offset 1750
Mode B = 0

Next,
Flight mode – Idle up 2
Revlock switch – mode A, RPM range 14k, offset 2000
Mode B = 0

Completing set-up, I came back to normal condition.
But, the RPM range of normal showed 14k ???????????

The reason that I set Mode B = 0 for all conditions is I like to handle just one switch for the change of flight condition i.e. normal <-> idle up 1 or Idle 1 <-> Idle up 2.

There were something wrong ??
If there, please give your advices.

Many thanks in advance.

11-26-2004 Over year old.
Colibri

Key Veteran

The Netherlands

You can program only 2 different ranges in the RevLock. A and B. You can make more than 2 RPM's by varying the offset. You've reprogrammed range A 3 times so it will just be the last one.

You can program it so that you use mode A for the 11K range and mode B for the 14K range. You can program different ATV's in the idle-ups to make the offset different.

You need to end up with:
Normal: Range A (11K) offset 2500
Idle-up1: Range B (14K) offset 1750
Idle-up2: Range B (14K) offset 2000

If you make the aux channel near 0% (center of the switch for example) then you will also disable the RevLock, no need to use mode B for that.

Hope this helps.

Tim

11-26-2004 Over year old.
ShuttleSmasher

Senior Heliman

Owner of TheModelWorx.co.uk

Did you not get my PM ?

Gary

Team Dyna-X

11-26-2004 Over year old.
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yoons45

Heliman

Ulsan Korea ( Republic of)

Hi Tim

I appreciate your hints.

If i set my revlock as your recommand, then i have to

switch two sticks i.e. flight mode switch for the change of

pitch and throttle curve and aux. switch for the change of mode A, B.

It's too busy work for beginner

Regards,

11-26-2004 Over year old.
yoons45

Heliman

Ulsan Korea ( Republic of)

Mr. Gary's advices ...

Thanks a lot

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First Congratulation on the purchase, hope it serves you well.

I'm not really qualified to answer your questions, but I will have a try. First the A and B Mode are only if you wish to use two head speeds that are in different ranges. But for easier setup I would recommend that you use only one range and forget about the A and B settings. But with this you will have to compromise on the head speeds. Its looks like you wanted 13,000Rpm and 15,500Rpb how about using 14,000 and 15500Rpm, you can get these from one range and then all you will have to do is change the ATV's in your flight modes.

Using A and B Modes requires that you understand the how the RPM ATV works, Some transmitters have ATV's from -100% to +100% with 0% in the middle others have 0% to 100%, the Rev lock uses the centre position in the range of the Speed channel ATV setting as the OFF position either higher or lower than this position will switch on the Rev Lock. In some transmitters this centre position will be at 0% (-100% to +100% transmitters) and others it will be at 50% (0% to 100 % transmitters). So now if you go higher than this the Rev lock is on and the RPM offset increases and changes the mode to A lower then this point and the RPM offset also increases but you will be in mode B. Please see page 4 of the manual. For the different idle up you need to set one idle up in the higher than the central position and the other idle up in the lower than central position.


Personally I only use two head speeds both in the same range, a low one for hovering and the higher one for full 3D. The only reason I have two is that the low head speed tells me I am not in idle up and I need to flick the switch!!!!

If you require more help, it would be best if you got it from CSM direct or even better talk to Russ Deacun on Run Ryder, you can PM him, his user name is RussD. Russ is the guy the developed the Rev Lock with CSM. I'm sure he will be able to help you.

Gary


Mmmm ....Time for a ...

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11-26-2004 Over year old.
Colibri

Key Veteran

The Netherlands

if i set my revlock as your recommand, then i have to switch two sticks i.e. flight mode switch for the change of pitch and throttle curve and aux. switch for the change of mode A, B.
There is a way to prevent this. You have to use a PMIX with mixtype OFS (offset) to do this.

This is what you do:
Enable a PMIX in normal, idle-up1 & idle-up2
Set slave to AV1 (the channel used for the RevLock).
Set mix type to OFS (offset) and press next to set the offset value (rate).
Assign a switch to enable/disable the mix.

Don't forget to do all this the same for all conditions. Now you can set the rate of the mix to a positive or negative value if you want A or B mode and the value itself is the offset.
With the switch you can disable the mix and this will cause the channel to be 0 so it will also disable the RevLock.

For this to work you must also set AV1 to NUL in the function menu (FNC) to prevent a switch or something else to influence the AV1 channel.

It seems difficult but once you get it it is not (just like playing the piano I guess .

If all works as expected you can enable/disable the RevLock at all times with the switch and you can have both different modes and offsets in each flight mode.

The servo menu (SRV) is very useful for testing if the value of the AV1 channel is what you expect for the various modes/switch positions.

I used something similar for my TJ-Pro because I wanted it to be disabled in the first switch position, not the middle because I have all my switches to one side default when starting.

Good luck and let me know if you need further assistance.

Tim

11-26-2004 Over year old.
KMorgan

Senior Heliman

Bonnie Scotland

yoons45

I've got a Revlock in the post and have been reading the online manual to figure out how I will set it up. I too like to use just one switch. Norm=govn off, Idl1=1550, Idl2=1800

I have a 9C rather than a 9Z, but my plan may be applicable to your set.

I will have govn mixing enabled, and use ch7, slaved to the flight condition (switch E), to control the revlock. The range of "rates" available in each condition is 0-100%, where 0% = an ATV of 100, 50%= an ATV of zero, and 100% = ATV 100 in the other direction.

So, Norm will be rate 50%, govn off. Idl1 will be rate<50% and set to 1550, Idl2 will be rate>50% and set to 1800.

This is just theory at the moment.

Does the 9Z have governor mixing that could be used in this way?

K

11-30-2004 Over year old.
Colibri

Key Veteran

The Netherlands

Does the 9Z have governor mixing that could be used in this way?
Nop, it doesn't which is kind of odd being their flagship Tx for so long but as it is a very versatile Tx there are usually more ways than one to archive a goal.

Tim

11-30-2004 Over year old.
PaulH-MA

Veteran

Boston, MA

You shouldn't have to create any mixes at all in the 9C. The standard governor menu links one of the channels (8 I think?) to the normal/idle-up switch. There are three governor settings, each in a 0% to 100% range that correspond to normal, idle1, and idle2. Just set them to 50%, <50%, and >50% and you should be all set.
I've got a Revlock in the post and have been reading the online manual to figure out how I will set it up. I too like to use just one switch. Norm=govn off, Idl1=1550, Idl2=1800

I have a 9C rather than a 9Z, but my plan may be applicable to your set.

--Paul

TREX 450
Bergen Intrepid Gasser x2

12-01-2004 Over year old.
KMorgan

Senior Heliman

Bonnie Scotland

Eh.... isn't that what I said

12-01-2004 Over year old.
PaulH-MA

Veteran

Boston, MA

Ah, okay. The way it was worded, I thought you were asking about the mixing, not explaining it. My bad!

You said "I will have govn mixing enabled" which I took to mean you hadn't figured it out yet.

--Paul

TREX 450
Bergen Intrepid Gasser x2

12-01-2004 Over year old.
KMorgan

Senior Heliman

Bonnie Scotland

PaulH-MA

No probs. It's very rare to find me with anything figured out

12-01-2004 Over year old.
z11355

rrMaster

New England

I want to add a couple of things....

First off, thanks to tvhalter; your scheme
works beautifully on a 9Z and the RL10
is MUCH MUCH simpler to setup on a 9Z
than the TJ (non-Pro) ever was.

1. Mounted on a Rap30 w/ TT39, you have
to grind a small concave in the RL10 mount
so the cylinder doesn't interfere, otherwise you
may well endup stripping the hole in the engine
mount.

2. smooth the edges of the sensor mount first.

3. you WILL want more heatshrink and/or spiral
wrap on the sensor wire

4. do NOT assign a switch (on FNC screen)
to AU1 (the RL10 control channel) (you'lll
do this in the PMIX screen)

On the 9Z, I have the speeds controlled by
flight mode (E) switch and a general RL10
on/off on switch A. RL10 remote is on AU1

As tvhalter says, go in and activate PMIXs
for all flight modes. Use OFS and (for me, set
the activation switch to A (up position is ON,
middle & down is OFF).

Set the RL10 'range' (14K) and as you change
flight mode, put in enough offset on the 9Z PMIX
screen to get the LEDs to be what you want.

What you'll have is behavior just like the GV1
w/ speed select & independent on/off but done
w/ only 1 wire (as I use an 8ch rx on my Rap test
bird)

12-05-2004 Over year old.
ShuttleSmasher

Senior Heliman

Owner of TheModelWorx.co.uk

So z11355,

How did you find the Rev lock's performance ?

Gary

Team Dyna-X

12-05-2004 Over year old.
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z11355

rrMaster

New England

I got about 30 seconds of hover in my side yard
unfortunately. It'll be a few days before
I can get time to play a bit w/ it.

My hunch is that I'm going to like it though.

12-05-2004 Over year old.
z11355

rrMaster

New England

I just wanted to add something different from
Tim's (tvhalter) explanation.

I wanted some ability to trim the RPM in flight so....

In the FNC menu, I set +LD for AU1 (the left dial)

then went into the ATV screen for AU 1 and
reduced the overall ATVs to +-15%. Otherwise,
each click of the knob was a full LED step.

Now, I can pretty much cover the range by full
sweep of the LD knob. Of course, in general,
you want the knob centered and at 15% ATV,
it takes 3-4 clicks to get the Revlock to go off
'nominal'. Although you could of course have
non-symmetrical ATVs if you want.

Also, if you want to jump out to a totally different
speed range, you can do that too by changing
the +/- sense of the OFS offset. That will put you
in the other 'mode' (or whatever CSM calls it).

A very flexible little device.

With the cold weather here in the Northeast,
I'm still trying to get the mixture & responsivity
settings just right although I think that I may
need a faster servo (Z550 currently) possibly.

Now how about a max RPM at end of flight indicator?

12-13-2004 Over year old.
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I3DM

rrProfessor

Israel

tvhalter, i did as you said, but on +-100 all i could get was 12500 and 14500 at most, it seems like +-100 isnt enough offset, i need 13050 and 15050.

thanks !!

www.liorzahavi.com

05-19-2005 Over year old.
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Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

Thanks to tvhalter and Z11355! I finally setup my RevLock with my 9Z TX this past weekend and using their method with the offset mix worked great! It was actually a piece of cake to setup and the offset mix worked great.

06-01-2005 Over year old.
z11355

rrMaster

New England

Glad that worked well for you

06-01-2005 Over year old.
woodsta

Heliman

Toowoomba QLD Australia

hi
I have just bought a CSM Revlock and have had no problems setting it up to a point, I am now struggling to figure out how to use remote channel ATV on my futaba 9c to set the offset.

If someone could help that would be great.

10-27-2005 Over year old.
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