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marsBme
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Hello all,
I ordered this C40-9L motor from Hacker. They told me this was the best for my VE so I purchased it. I see no mention of anyone else using this and I can't get it to hover. It seems my rotor head speed isn't what it should be because of a tail wobble. In other words, it's struggling. I'm currently using a 15 tooth with a 10 cell 3300 pack. Any suggustions??
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11-14-2004 Over year old.
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Ralphw
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The 9L has a KV of 3333 which is a little low for the VE's gearing. With the 15t pinion you're looking at a max headspeed of approx 1500 rpms with the motor running at 100% and a fresh battery. If you want to stay with the 9L, then you'll probably need to go to a 17t pinion and make sure your throttle curve is running at close to 100% for all positions above mid stick.

For what it's worth, thats how I run mine with the 8L. I start with the "Normal" mode and a throttle curve of 0-25-95-95-100. This allows me to spool up without any kind of lurch or hard spool up. When I'm spooled and ready to fly, I switch to Idle Up 1 or 2 both of with have a throttle curve of 95-95-95-95-95. This keeps the brushless motor right in it's ideal power range and provides plenty of headspeed to fly with.

The VE doesn't like a low headspeed at all...if the rpm drops below about 1300 or so, it will begin to wobble and as the headspeed decreases with battery depletion it only gets worse. If your wobbling then the headspeed is too low...period!!

Hope that helps,

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
11-15-2004 Over year old.
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marsBme
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do you think I should call up hacker and get them to change out my motor?? I feel misinformed because I had them make absolute sure this was correct.
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Ralphw
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The 9L should work, just don't try the small pinion with it (try a 17t first, that should work well). As for the throttle curve, the one I posted earlier should work for almost any electric motor. If you're using the curve recommended by JR in the manual, it won't work nearly as efficiently. Get the motor spinning up where it needs to be, then adjust the pinion to get the headspeed you want it. Personally, I wouldn't go any higher than an 18t pinion. If you need more headspeed than that (unlikely), you'll need to change motors and go to one with a higher KV.

Now if you can get Hacker to swap with you, the 8L is generally considered the ideal Hacker motor for the VE. Others have been tried with varying degrees of success, but the 8L is (in my book anyway) the best of the bunch.

Ralph W.
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marsBme
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thanks so much. I will see if they will switch it out. Otherwise I will use a 17 thooth. Do you think there will be the same performance quality with this change? Flight times, etc...
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11-17-2004 Over year old.
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Ralphw
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If your asking if you'll be happy with the 8L, I'm sure you will. It seems to have the best combination of power and endurance of all the VE suitable motors out there. Planty of torque to keep the blades moving and if you set the curves right, plenty of endurance.

I would highly recommend a 3s lipo battery at some point. The Lipo's and the Hacker are a match made in E-heli heaven. The 10 cell pack is good, but a 3s3p 6000 or a 3s4p 8000 pack will give you power and duration well beyond what a NiCD or NiMH 10 cell pack can provide.

Ralph W.
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marsBme
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OK, I tried what I had, a 16t and a 19t for the 9L. Niether worked. The rotor head speed for the 19t was very fast, but the motor couldn't handle the load with out being bogged down, with either an 8 cell, or 10 cell 3300mah pack.
Do you think I should opt for the 17t,18t or get the 8L?
thanks for all your help,
MarsBme
11-18-2004 Over year old.
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Ralphw
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OK, Lets try and backup a bit here.

First, on the 9L with a 16t pinion and a FULLY CHARGED 10 cell pack, you should be able to fly. Maybe not 3D, but certainly basic flying. Make absolutely sure you're getting a full charge on the batteries or you'll be chasing a ghost trying to fix the problem. If you're still having a problem with the wobble, then it's possible that your settings aren't right for pitch and throttle curves yet. Post those when you can and let the folks on here take a look.

Ideally, you should have about 5 - 6 degrees of pitch at the stick position you want to hover at with a throttle setting of 90 to 100%. If that gets you airborne too soon reduce the pitch at that point but leave the throttle alone. If you're not getting airborne soon enough, increase the pitch by a degree or so at a time, until you get the heli to hover comfortably. With a headspeed of 1500 or so, the VE should be hovering at close to the 5 to 6 degree point.

A different pinion sure won't hurt anything. You can use the Traxxas E-Max truck pinions on the VE. They are the same pitch (32) and are available in a variety of sizes. I'd get a 17 and 18 tooth and try those, but make that the rest of the set-up is correct too.

As I said in the earlier post, your throttle should be close to 100 percent the entire time you are flying. The electric motor doesn't work like a nitro motor in that it works best near it's upper rpm range. If you let the motor rpms drop it has to work extra hard to "catch up" and your flight times will suffer A LOT.

Even if you get the 8L, if your settings aren't right you'll still have similar problems. The KV difference between the two isn't so great that the 8L will solve the problem without any adjustments.

Lets start with that and see if those changes (if any) help resolve the problem

Ralph W.
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11-18-2004 Over year old.
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marsBme
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ok, I FULLY charged my 10 cell 3300 nimh, then changed the pinion back to the 16t from the 19t. I made sure that my thcv was 0-100-100-100-100. At center stick my pitch was 5.5 deg and went from 0 to 10 for my hover mode.
I got no lift at center stick and had to be almost full throttle for it to stagger into the air with the tail bobbing. So now what doc??
MarsBme
11-19-2004 Over year old.
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marsBme
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I'm now in the process of getting a 17 and 18 t to find out what the problem is. A 16 t won't even get it off the ground with this motor.
any ideas?
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11-30-2004 Over year old.
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marsBme
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OK, I now have a 17t and a 18t spur gear. I have tested it with both and it still won't get proper lift. The motor slows down as the pitch increases and the rotor head speed will not get faster. I also put it into mode 2 and increased my EPA's to 125.
Should I send the motor back??

Thanks for any suggustions,
MarsBme
12-05-2004 Over year old.
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KnimRod
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I wouldn't be so sure it's the motor just yet. The 9L should work for you. It's going to be hard to really troubleshoot this problem without knowing the voltage and current from the battery. Do you have any means to measure it?
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T-Bell
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Location: Redmond Washington

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It sound like the speed controler is not set up right. What speed controle are you using? Did you program the controler with the 3300 10cell battery at full charge. I use a Kontronik Smiles 40-6-12, if I go from my 6000mah 3s3p battery to a 3300mah 10cell battery I have to rest the speed controler for that battery. If i don't I end up with no power.
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marsBme
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So check this out. I took the motor and speed controller out and swaped it with another VE that I had. IT FLIES GREAT!! As far as my other one, I'm guessing that there is something going on with friction on the rotor head as it gets lift, slowing down the head speed dramatically. I've briefly checked it out , but for now I'm flying my new one!!
Thanks for all the help, and if anyone has anymore suggustions on what may be the problem with the mechanics on my other one please let me know.
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12-10-2004 Over year old.
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CARLOS LUIS
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Location: Maracaibo, Zulia - Venezuela

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What pinion?

MARSBME, What size of pinion did you use in the other Voyager E? 15, 16,17 or 18t.........................

Carlos Arrieta .......The Scale Helicopters are the Best
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Manuelg
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Location: Maracaibo, Venezuela

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Where to buy 17t or 18t?

I need to purchase a 17t or 18t.

Any idea on where to purchase it?

Manuel

Fly with attitude, land with style!! Autorotate with dignity!
12-23-2004 Over year old.
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Ralphw
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Anyone that sells pinions for the Traxxas EMax RC truck should have pinions in the correct size for the VE. The pinion is a 32 pitch pinion and the E Maxx pinons work perfectly.

Ralph W.
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12-23-2004 Over year old.
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Manuelg
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Thanks Ralphw

Thanks for your prompt reply. I've just purchased on Towerhobbies.

Manuel

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marsBme
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Carlos,
I have an 18 tooth pinion. I hope it works out.
take care,
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helinut01
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Hey Ralph,

I haven't seen any of those quickie heads around, have you seen any for sale?


Thanx,

Scott C.
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