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iachia
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Where did you guys got all the info about it?
like that it is pcm 2048 or that it uses windows ce?
is there a web page?

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scott s.
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I think my 9zwc2 just went up for sale.
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Andi G
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Hi,

no webpage, just a few infos from Japan.

October 2nd is Tokio Hobby show, jason.net should have a report then... right now Futaba doesn't release any more info.

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staraero1
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Hi TMoore,


That is a 9CHP, with a fancy case and display. And of course a few more channels as well. A good move on Futaba's part. I wondered how long it was going to take them to abandon their old 9Z tech., for something more along the lines of their 9CHP. The 9CHP is really the most advanced system Futaba had as a practical matter, until this unit came along.

They must of needed to get rid of old stock first before introducing this system. It seemed to be a long time comming, all things considered. They would shoot themselves in the foot if they have a thousand or so of the 9Z's left floating around when this hit the street.

This radio is suppose to mix most of it's programing like a 9CHP does, as word has it. A much easier system to use and program then the 9Z was.

The down side of course is the price. Futaba must feel many people may toss their 9Z's for this radio, if only because of the look, and the newer tech. it uses. The basic system platform of this unit on the surface appears to be worlds ahead of the 9Z.

Now stepping up to the plate and paying 2000. for the thing will be an interesting issue. This price really starts to approach the point of demishing returns for an RC helicopter remote control. It looks like it will be a nice radio, if it works without a lot of kinks in the software. However, the price is about 1000. bucks too high, right out of the gate.

Time will tell.



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Andi G
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Street price for the radio only will be way lower than $2k...
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iachia
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I think that too. If you want a classic set with tx and rx and maybe batteries it can't cost you more than 1200\1400.

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hepsibar
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Surly this is not late but premature!!! -

Has someone got their dates wrong (01/04/2005) etc! Just could not wait eh!

Seriously it looks cheap, all but the screen that is. I will keep my eyes open for a cheap zap when this hits the uk market.

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dnts
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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... If this thing weights less than a 9Z and can do it all - who cares about looks???
For those concerned about the Win CE issue - this is probably the most stable operating system out there (currently). The major issues with standard Windows OS stability are two - bad 3rd party software and bad hardware/hardware drivers. If you were to just install fresh and new Win XP on a certified piece of equipment and let it run for ages using Notepad - it will never crash!!. Many types of equipment today use Win CE - from smartphones to gas station pumps - with long, trouble free operation. Win CE has been around for alot of years and I guess Futaba engineers spent alot of type with it to design a high reliability device like the one we see - just remember that the high end team did not produce any thing new for 3 years (since the 9C).
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baby_zyklon
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wonder how much it will cost to upgrade the os when microsoft comes out with a newer version....
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z11355
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If you were to just install fresh and new Win XP on a certified piece of equipment and let it run for ages using Notepad - it will never crash!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Most people actually try to do something w/
a 4Ghz XP machine instead of idling it w/ an
open Notepad
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dnts
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You just want to miss the point, don't you? As someone who makes living out of designing hardware for PCs, I can tell you that 100% (yes, 100%) of reliability problems in open systems (Win XP) are from uncertified hardware or uncertified software. A CE based machine is closed, i.e. you can't install new hardware and in most cases cannot install new software (except for PocketPC and other PDAs). An RC Tx based on WinCE will not let you install 3rd party (non-Futaba) applications or add 3rd party hardware modules. It will only run the TX application and work with the internal hardware. It only makes updates and field support easier.
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z11355
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You just want to miss the point, don't you


You made a ridiculous statement, I just capitalized
on it. OK, so I was being snarky.

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As someone who makes living out of designing hardware for PCs


OK, and I do design work for one of the world's
top semiconductor manufacturers. Big deal.

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I can tell you that 100% (yes, 100%) of reliability problems in open systems (Win XP) are from uncertified hardware or uncertified software


I'm sure the people who have to slug through
ServicePacks and other Microsoft nonsense
will be pleased to hear that. That statement
is incredulous.

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It will only run the TX application and work with the internal hardware


Then you're presupposing that the TX application
and the WinCE base code is perfect.

Oh, before I forget....

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dnts
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First off, thanks for the new year's congrats...
Second - comparing PC Windows with WinCE is doing injustice to the WinCE... and using it to bash Futaba is ridiculous... not that I am going to buy this model - I will just wait for the price of th 9Z to hit rock bottom and pick one for myself...
All radio manufecturers have had their share of software problems before the move to WinCE - I suppose the Futaba team is doing a good DV job to eliminate most to all of the bugs. Still, may be only the 14MZH WC2 will be really bug-free
Cheers,
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z11355
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You brought up the XP comparison

I just dont trust MS when it comes to a RTOS
like that unless Futaba made design decisions
to take WinCE tasks separate from the basic
control, encode, modulation tasks.

I'd have preferred something like QNX or
VxWorks but of course, Futaba isn't going to
license that.
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Mujenpwr
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Well I hope the Tx battery has a decent capacity to run the display, OS, processor, etc
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dnts
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VxWorks??? I wish....
No - the PC windows comparison was brought in by others who can't tell an RTOS from ROOTS (beer, that is). They think the MS logo is an icon of evil worship. Hey - gas stations use WinCE to control the pumps and the charge to your credit cards. Guess what would have happened if the pump didn't stop on time or would suddenly start working? or if your CC was double-charged?
I don't think futaba will seperate the control and configuration tasks. They might have seperate CPU do the PCM encoding (not really needed, though). It will be a waste of CPU horse power. A moderate ARM based CPU can do both - the algorithms are not THAT complicated (although they do have a habit of making them appear that way). Multiply - add - multiply - add.... at a frame rate of 20/second or maybe higher - 40/second, it's still less than 5% of CPU bandwidth.
We will have to wait and see...
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z11355
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the problem is actually inverted.

it's the circuitry that needs to consume 'less'
since as you know, battery technology
has increased only somewhat (LiPo aside and
I dont think LiPo is going to be stock on the 14Z).

The saving thing here is the consolidation
and miniaturization of the circuit internals since
the 9Z series was first designed.
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dnts
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I agree it's a price cut disguised as upgrade. Too much flying wires and ribbon cables in the 9Z make the production costs way too high. The streamlined - 9C like design will make it cheaper to produce. PCB count will be like 9C (same number of buttons and controls). The rest is just software.. And no custom LCD makes it even cheaper.
As for battery capacity - current crop PDAs run full blown for 6 hours on a 1200 LiPo single cell. Throw in two more cells for RF power and you have more than enough juice in the machine. Power management is extremely easy in WinCE... I guess they will dim the backlight when you do not access the functions too much or just use transflective LCD display (who flies in the dark anyway? )
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JWB3D
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You don't really believe they would do this on a whim do you ?!?!!?

They have been working on this for 3 1/2 years.
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ryoko
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Is the old PCM1024 RX work with this New PCM2048 TX?
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