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G.Man
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There has been some speculation about this for some time, I dont wish to add to the speculation, merely state my findings on a bench test...

Was just fine tuning my r50, and my mobile received a text...

Mobile was sitting next to TX...

servos twitched to the tune of the normal interference that you get thru a speaker when mobile interferes...

dit der der dit der der dit der der dit...

Thats using PCM, digital servos etc...

I tried an experiment, left phone near to heli and away from TX, rang a number, no interference...

did the same again with phone near tx, but away from heli and interference returned...

So it seems that having a mobile ring near your TX can cause some interference....

I urge you to try this yourself to see if you get similar results...

Last time I carry my mobile when operating my heli...



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blakka_1
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thanx. gonna have to turn my phone off from now.
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Bonsai
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I just did the test on the bench too and guess what???? my tailrotor danced like crazy but I had to be within 12 inches... guess I wont keep this electronic device in my pocket while flying.
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bobj
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Humm, must be a Futaba thing as I always fly with my phone in my pocket and often take calls while flying with no problem.
Of course it may be that certain combinations of TX's and mobiles have a issue while others are ok.

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Climax
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The Futaba synthesized transmitter module definitely suffers from mobile interference - or at least my friend’s module does...

Unfortunately he had a crash as a result of this. At the time we knew it was related to his mobile, as it was very close to his transmitter (in a coat pocket) and rang moments after the fatal lock-out. I should just say that normally he doesn’t fly with his phone anywhere nearby – just in case, but this time he forgot...

At first we though the phone was disturbing his transmitter, a 9 ZAP. However, after a number of experiments we found that the problem was related to the synthesizer Tx module. A normal crystal based module appeared to be unaffected.

Interestingly an established mobile phone conversation in close proximity wasn’t a problem. The issue appeared to be caused just before and as the phone was ringing. I can only imagine that the GSM protocol does something different here, maybe as the phone receives it ring trigger it blasts back an acknowledgement to the network and only later starts to manage its power, or something... (any experts out there?)
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mrNoodles
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I´ve had my phone in the jacket and been flying while getting calls, will take a closer look at it again on the ground..
Oh btw I´m using a JR radio ans SonyEricsson phone.

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GBNT
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Just did the test on my PCM/digital servos etc

Didnt get any noticible interference when near the Tx but noticed a small increase in servo chatter when I placed the phone next to the Rx. Even with Tx switced off servo chatter increased when the phone was near the Rx


Maybe different mobiles are capable of different amounts of interference?

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GBNT
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Forgot to say
My FZAP WC 2 is crystal type, not synthesized
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rdalcanto
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FWIW, I remember reading a while back that someone reported that placing his cell phone very close to his transmitter caused the model data to change at random. I usually try to leave the phone in the flight box or on my belt behind me just in case.

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I have a freind who was flying with his Multiplex Royal EVO 12 which has a synth module he had total lockout when he answered his phone (Nokia 3210) fortunately he was flying a zaggi foamy wing on the slope but it taught me to keep the phone in the flight box whilst flying anything. Not just for my sake but for the safety of everyone I'm flying with.
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Russ Delaney
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Interference

Great observation!!!

You might have saved a lot of us a model or 2 !!

Good excuse to switch it off and stop the missus ringing me!!

Nice one

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cczarnik
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Bobj wrote:

"Humm, must be a Futaba thing as I always fly with my phone in my pocket and often take calls while flying with no problem."

Gotta slap a bumper sticker on my R50 now that reads "Hang up and Fly!"



I think a nextel that rung in my pocket may have caused a PCM lock on me a couple of years ago. Never proved it though, always dismissed as coincidence. About 1' from TX, it was a Futaba 8u. Phone stays on the bench now. Chuck
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ShempHoward
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Similar problems between cell phones and Tx's have been documented at one of the clubs I fly at. I recall that Pete Waters of RC Reports also documented this problem a few years ago. Many will refute that this is a real problem and continue to endanger RC flyers by continuing operating cell phones on the flight line.

Keep Cell Phones Off the Flight Line.
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zoro
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Mobile phones should be banned from not only the field but in our homes also. These things are like the cigarettes of the 60's. They were fine back then but given time and a little research and hey presto they give you cancer. IMO mobile phones are not only highly annoying but are a health hazard none the less.
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Rocky boy
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For what its worth.

We had the same debate at our RC car club. A number of members were claiming interference.

One of the members is a Nokia engineer he said it was a load of rubbish and impossible.

Don't flame me its not necessarily my opinion just an alternative one from someone who should know.

RB
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DS 8717
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I had my mobile phone laying next to my computer monitor and the monitor buzzes when the phone rings.
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I just tried it with my 3810, r649s, nokia 6210 and 6230. Nothing,not a peep. I put the phone on the tx, on the rx, turned the tx off so the radio went into fail safe and I couldn't get it to glitch. Maybe it only does it with particular makes of phones


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Ron Cosby
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I spend a lot of time on the speaker phone at my work. If my cell phone rings while I am on the phone, it will basically "kill" all volume coming from the hands free unit, up to about 4 to 5 feet away.

A salesman gave me a "Cell Signal" ink pen, that has an LED circuit which lights up for 20 seconds if my cell phone is within 8 feet and rings.

I too leave my cell phone on the bench while I fly.
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G.Man
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One of the members is a Nokia engineer he said it was a load of rubbish and impossible.



Send him to me, I will show him the imposible, with one of his firms phones



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CJames
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JR 10x here, take calls all the time with absolutely no interferance!!

But just to make sure, I just bench tested it with the cell phone laying on the transmitter about a foot away from the heli, no interferance, took the phone, put it up against the heli, no interferance ether while it was ringing!!
Maybe it is a Futaba thing?

I don't doubt that some have had interferance, I would like to know if its just the phones or the transmitter, reciever that causes the problem.
Oh ya, samsung phone.
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One of the members is a Nokia engineer he said it was a load of rubbish and impossible.
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Send him to me, I will show him the imposible, with one of his firms phones

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He's an engineer,that explains it all.............................
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Roger Hamilton
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Dial a crash
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Drunk Monk
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it's not dumb thumbs or mecanical failure, it's the bloody mobile phone

Keep telling yourself that and you might start to believe it


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donlynn
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Gidday

8u and 9z both pcm, no probs sofar. Nokia ph

Regards Don
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John Krebs
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Ive tested this on the bench with an 8U and Nokia phone and couldn't get it to interfere. But if my phone is sitting under the edge of my monitor I get a lot of interference just prior to the ring.

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Methodical
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As per the other thread about this

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Synthesized transmitters are more vulnerable to this interference due to the way the RF section is designed. A synthesiser has high impedance parts in the closed loop tuning circuit which is less tolerance to external interference.. (nothing that better design shouldn't cure).. A crystal based system is slightly different here as they do not have this high impedance section in the oscillator circuit.

The level of interference caused to your transmitter is also a function of how far away your handset is from the nearest basestation. The handset will increase its power output as the signal loss increases to the basestation.. Thus causing more interference for your TX.


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I'd bet a broomstick that this will not happen with a CDMA phone.

What happens is like so, assuming some of you have TDMA, analog, or GSM phones.

once a while the cell system will "ping" for your handset, and your handset will ping back. This typically isn't at max-power, but it could cause a very short-term glitch if your on top of the game. If you receive a call, your jacked though.

Once a incoming phone comes in over the paging channel, a TDMA/GSM handset will output at max power (2 watts?) saying "im here! im here!"... then the cell tower comes back and says 'start ringing"... your phone sends back "im ringing!"... etc etc. One the call starts the handset will throttle down the amount of power being output.

high power narrow-band transmissions are bad news all around. If your phone has ever gone off near a set of speakers, you know what im talking about.

CDMA uses low-power spread spectrum. There are many advantages of this, but one of the biggest is that it causes a significantly lower amount of out of band interference, even at max power.

TDMA is being phased out, and the next versions of GSM will use spread spectrum. So thats good news for the future.
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Gary
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A friend and I were finishing up his 90 SE Sunday and he got a phone call while we were fine tuning the electronics, the servos glitched. He's running the Futaba 9C. I tried to do the same thing with mine later that evening and mine didn't do it but I'm also running the 10X. Not sure what to conclude( If anything ), from that. I do know I won't be carrying a cell phone in my pocket while I'm flying.
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I've started leaving my phones in the car now when I'm flying my heli. I don't bother with the zagi though.


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Kjetil
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Hi G.Man,

I've seen the same thing. Here is what Futaba has to say about this issue:

Is there any risk to using cellular phones in close proximity with my radio?
There are two separate parts to this question—frequency transmission interference vs. computer processor interference.

FREQUENCY: While most fields do not recommend the use of cell phones for liability reasons, there should never be a frequency problem between cell phones and radio systems. The FCC makes sure that neither cell phones, nor R/C frequencies are close enough in range to interfere with each other and they enforce this policy actively. We have many fliers in high cell phone use areas, who have never encountered frequency problems related to cell phones, but once again, with the volume of cell phones today, and for safety sake, it is best not to fly during a large amount of cell phone use in the area of the flying field.

PROCESSOR: There have been a few reported cases of modelers seeming to encounter strange programming issues with their computer radios when used in the vicinity of an operating cell phone. We have never seen this nor can we replicate it; however, when it comes to safety we always recommend the modeler err on the side of caution and avoid use of your radio equipment in close proximity with a cellular phone which is turned on.

It is always best to take all possible precautions to avoid a situation that could potentially harm someone. Therefore, we recommend limiting the proximity of powered-on cellular phones to at least 1000 feet from any radio in operation.

http://www.futabarc.com/faq/product-faq.html#q278

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corey11
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i just tried it with a Futaba 9z, and a R149 PCM rx...i set the cell phone next to the heli, nothing...i held the cell phone next to my radio and moved the sticks around, nothing...I did not get a glitch or anything on both attempts...im wondering, do you use a different mega hertz where your at?? im useing 72. megha hertz..And i do have the synthesized module in the 9z
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Kjetil
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corey11,

Did you try to call your cell phone (from another telephone) when you placed it next to your Tx or Rx?

I remember I got jitter or glitches when I tried this at home with a Futaba 9C Tx and 149DP Rx at 35Mhz. I think I got the worst glitches if i received a call on the cell phone when it was placed right next to the module on the Tx. But I'm at work right now and can't verify this.

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Corey11

Just holding the phone near the electronics wont do much as its in standby, try pressing dial...



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ummm, you guys who have tried this out...dont forget to check your model settings afterwards

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webbhost
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guess what... ive got the opposite result? :S

Got my dad to ring my mobile fone.

When next to my TRANSMITTER (9CP) There is no intereference.

When next to my RECIVER, my servos were jumping about....

pretty cool unless its in the air

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dariof
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I don't know if this is a "Futaba thing" as was expressed earlier.

I fly FUT, (a 9CHP) and have had my cell phone ring while flying. The heli was not affected at all. When this happens and I feel like taking the call (this happens often because of my business), I land and answer the phone. Pretty Simple, but I Do Not have a synthesized Tx.

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Mike Wilson
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I have had this happen with my 9Z WC2 with a synthesized transmitter module. The affected heli had an FM receiver in it and it glitched a few seconds before I received a text message. I can reproduce this consistantly.


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corey11
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i did call my cell phone...i didnt get a single glitch...i tried it with my antenna on my TX extended, and retracted..nothing at all..
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i just tried it with a Futaba 9z, and a R149 PCM rx...i set the cell phone next to the heli, nothing...i held the cell phone next to my radio and moved the sticks around, nothing...I did not get a glitch or anything on both attempts...im wondering, do you use a different mega hertz where your at?? im useing 72. megha hertz..And i do have the synthesized module in the 9z


Hi Corey,

I was able to reproduce your results with a Synth Mod and a TDMA phone (Nokia 6360). There was very minimal glitching with a PPM receiver and virtually none at all with a PCM receiver.

However, with a GSM phone + Synth Mod (Nokia 3390).. All hell breaks loose. PCM locks out, and PPM servos go crazy.

Whatever you do, don't sell that phone (TDMA is on it's way out the door)

Jimmy

Btw, an all up analog phone (a very old Motorola Flip phone) also produces similar results (no interference).

Anybody has a CDMA phone + synth trani they can try? I'm curious if it interferes or not.

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hehe i guess my phone has one more use for it..not makeing me crash!! but the phone is one of those Verizon wireless flip phones that has a camera on it..forget the product number, but its 70 bucks..
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