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elviswl
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I did not dial indicate when I built my EVO 50. After about 30 flights on the bird, a friend and all round good guy LarryH noticed some vibes on Saturday, fuel getting bumpy etc. and offered to help.

I brought the dial indicator, the clamp and a vise to the field on Sunday. The initial measurements of the clutch shaft were 3thou by the clutch, and 7thou at the tip of the clutch shaft.

To my surprise, Larry just took an exacto knife and some rubbing alcohol and cleaned the surfaces real good and re-assembled. The new readings of the clutch/starter shaft were 1thou by the clutch and 1thou at the tip of the tip of the clutch/starter shaft. I've got to wait until next weekend to see the results in flight. LarryH's EVO is smooth as silk.

I was amazed how little effort it took to dial down the runout.

I thought I would share this, with a big thanks to LarryH.


-elvis

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Garry-Boy
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Could you advise where to get the dial indicator?

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elviswl
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I got mine from harbor frieght

Dial Incdicator

You will also need a Magnetic Base for the dial indicator.


-elvis

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Garry-Boy
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Many thanks!

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ozheli
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I'm not quite sure why the evo clutch shaft would have that kind of runout? is it because of how the bearings sit in the frame?
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mrNoodles
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ozheli
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To my surprise, Larry just took an exacto knife and some rubbing alcohol and cleaned the surfaces real good and re-assembled. The new readings of the clutch/starter shaft were 1thou by the clutch and 1thou at the tip of the tip of the clutch/starter shaft.

There isnt much more needed then some dirt between the clutchshoe and the flywheel to cause a bad runout.

elwis
Nice to hear that it got solved so easy

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.
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ozheli
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ah ok....something to be aware of in future builds or maintenance
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heliman24
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Did you measure the runout with the motor and clutch installed or with the motor and clutch out of the airframe?
If it was with the motor mounted in the airframe can you tell me where you put the tip of the dti etc.

I've got a tiny bit of vibration in my evo ( fuel not calm) but I think this is something a little off in the head as it looks to be quite low frequency.

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mrNoodles
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I checked my engines/clutch before putting them in the heli.

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.
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elviswl
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the measurements were done with the motor out of the heli. The glow plug was also removed from the heli.

The clutch was removed from the flywheel, and the flywheel was removed from the engine.

The engine, still bolted to the engine mount, was plased horizontally in a vise (just snug in the vise). The runout was checked at the base of the crankshaft (no runout here); then the flywheel was screwed on to the crankshaft. The runout was checked on the outside of the flywheel, and then on the inner rim (1 thou). The prop nut was replaced (it helps if you remove the backplate and use one the OS crankshaft locking tool - rick's had one for the 50, 60 size engine). The clutch was then installed onto the flywheel, and the runout was checked at the base on the clutch shaft, and the tip of the clutch shaft(1 thou).

I am glad it all worked for me with just cleaning the parts. I brought a file and sandpaper with me, thinking I would have to do some work.

It would be great if others share how they got a bad runnout reduced.

BTW, I flew today, and it was smooth as silk.

-elvis

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heliman24
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Some info on reducing the runout if it's bad would be good if anyone would care to explain. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would be interested.

The above method was how I checked mine, I wasn't sure i'd done it the right way. Didn't have any ideas on how i'd reduce the runout if it was bad tho.

Luckily it came out ok.
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Helinutnz
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patience

Make sure you DTI is firmly mounted as well as your engine. 40 thou is 1 mm so 1 thou is B-all. The freya may be different but the concept the same. I just removed the slightest amount of annodizing with sandpaper which allowed the clutch to move very slightly on the two bolts that go through the clutch to the hub. Also when you tighten the hub to the crank you may notice that after tightening there may be a change in your runout for the worse. This is almost certainly the crank nut pulling down unevenly. Check the crank nut is flat on the tightening side. Check the base of the start shaft and that should be pretty good if the clutch is dialed in. then check the tip of the start shaft. This could be out still due to tolerances in manufacture. Some guys tap the start shaft, some guys tweak the shaft by placing a tube over the length of the start shaft and just think about moving it in the req direction......careful. Some guys sand annodizing of the hub or shim between the hub and clutch. I don't do this as it always seems to muck up your dialing in so far. IMHO. Remember 5 thou is 1/8 of a millimetre. So if the base of the start shaft is true or within a thou then moving the whole start shaft a tiny amount can true the tip but may put the base off slightly. This is how I did my freya. Clutch and 3/4 thou out. Start shaft base 1/2 thou out. Tip of start shaft true. Took quite a while but was as close as I could get. how does it run? Dunno. never run it yet I am pedantic and it was probably overkill but hope some of the ideas reinforce those posts already or help you out in some way. cheers
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bigglesbutler
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WOO HOO, AT LAST. I always wondered how dialing out was done. Could never really understand how when it was just a clamp on job.

Thanks to all for explaining it
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