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Inhaling fiberglass dust

helicopter34

Veteran

New Jersey, exit 82

Is fiberglass dust as dangerous as carbon fiber dusk. I was sanding my G10 hornet frame and now Im coughing a little. How danerous is cf or fg.

05-27-2004 Over year old.
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Woody218

Veteran

Bismarck, ND

If you are just sanding the resin, it's not nearly as bad as if you are sanding down into the glass cloth.


Gravity Always Wins!

05-27-2004 Over year old.
Fullagas

Key Veteran

Michigan

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Neither is good, but I've read in model mags that CF dust is more damaging. A hospital might provide better answers, or a place that uses CF in production - aerospace firm?

Now you know, but best to wear a respirator and vacuum the stuff up.


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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

05-27-2004 Over year old.
Lock-Tite

Veteran

Quebec, Canada

Usual irritation due to particules in the air, but nothing to worry about for just sanding such a small piece IMO if you dont have breathing problems.
Just open the windows, or sand outside the house.

Frank
Dont forget to bring a clean pair of shorts when flying 3D ;)

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vampiro

Senior Heliman

Laredo, TX

Use a mask dude. Those little particles settle inside the lungs and can develop into a tumor. Go spend $60 on a good mask and enjoy your work.

--------So that's what this switch is for!!!

05-27-2004 Over year old.
Sar

Elite Veteran

Saugeties, NY

Raw fiberglass dust is not a major worry,it's just glass. Over exposure will give you a chronic cough that will last for months.

Fiberglass which has been soaked in resin or epoxy is a different story. You're not just inhaling the glass, you're inhaling the chemicals which you used to bond the fiberglass which can be a cancer hazard.

With the amount of sanding you're doing, the cough is most likely irritation of the throat or lungs from the dust particles (it can rough up your throat pretty good).

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Jon

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TerranAce007

Veteran

Austin, TX

I'd go see a doctor....

05-27-2004 Over year old.
Torkroll

Senior Heliman

Bakersfield Ca

paint fumes, sanded dust off G-10 or CF, or even bare aluminum dust, solvent fumes, anything like this, any smoke .... its all bad.


NONE OF THAT STUFF CAN BE GOOD FOR YOU !

Do it out in wind, or wear a mask .....

05-28-2004 Over year old.
vortechZ230

Elite Veteran

Michigan, U.S.A.

Take Two Aspirin, and call me in the morning!!, just be carefull not to cough up your lungs!!

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S_Owen

Senior Heliman

Wichita Falls, TX.

Ok, here's the deal. And believe me, I landed in the hospital from it for a couple days. I was restoring an old boat and I was wearing no respirator, and I was doing it in a small garage, etc, etc.

If it is a small amount, you should be fine BUT fiberglass fibers are extremely irritating to the lining of the air sacs in your lungs (alveoli). When the air sacs are irritated, they produce mucous to flush away the irritant. If they do this in excess, you get pneumonia. People die from pneumonia.

Also, repeated irritation causes the alveoli and bronchioles lose their elasticity. Then it becomes harder for your lungs to move oxygen and blood. The amount of capillaries in the alveoli reduces and it becomes harder and harder to get any air. This is called emphysema. That's why smokers get it. Smoke is the irritant.

Any stiff fiber causes irritation but the real reason glass and carbon fibers are so bad is because the don't float, literally. The mucous has a hard time flushing them out. And because they are airborne, they can go all the way down, deep into lungs, making them again that much harder to expel them.

The best thing you can do is go get some mouth and nose masks from Home Depot, or Lowes, for when you are going to be working with composites. 3m makes some good ones and I usually keep some around. I use them when I mow too, allergies.

[b]Murphy's Constant:[/b] Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
Chavalo

Senior Heliman

Mexico City

a simple wiff will not hurt you...what realy hurts you is long exposure. KEEP AWAY FROM ASBESTOS though...this will cause you lung cancer!

CF and fiberglass are dangerous because the thin almost invisible fibers will act as knives inside your lungs but they're not poison as asbestos. It's exactly the same as people that live near a volcano, ashes will do the same as these other compounds but only after long exposure!

Just be sure you're not working with either for a long period of time....a few hours with canopies and blades will not do you any harm. You should be more concern of UV when flying your babies for 5 hours or breathing CO while tuning your motor or smoking your "in between flights" cigarette.....these thing will realy kill you....not CF or fiberglass.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
fitenfyr

rrProfessor

Port Orchard, Washington

S_Owen is dead on..

If you have a couch that has developed AFTER you did this.
It would be a good idea to see a doctor.

The fibers in ANY composite type material will cause that irritation and problems for you.

Best to have it checked out. If it concerned you enough to seek advise it should concern you enough to head to the doctor.

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...

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kc2huv

Senior Heliman

Cornwall, NY

I EAT THE ****!


hehehe couldn't resist.

But seriously, I don't think you could possibly have inhaled enough to do any lasting damage. HOWEVER, don't make a habit out of it. I'm a licensed Asbestos Ababtement Supervisor and have some knowledge of this type of ingestion. I work in a steam plant and when I think of how we used to work........amazing some of us are still alive. We only get one set of lungs and it is truly amazing just how much CRAP respire. If you don't want the hassles of a half face respirator, I would AT THE VERY least, wear a good dust mask, it will help.

Mike

EVO 50 Futaba 9CHP (50 MHz) Futaba GY-401/9253 O.S. Max 50 SXh

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Fullagas

Key Veteran

Michigan

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We might keep in mind we find out the ill effects of products long after the usage - sometimes it's decades! I've developed a mild allergy to CA after using it for years. I'm very careful around it now.

My dad died from emphysema. He was a carpenter, worked around asbestos in its heyday, and a smoker most of his adult life. The doc said it was by far the asbestos that got him.


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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
S_Owen

Senior Heliman

Wichita Falls, TX.

The down side is, there is nothing a doctor can do for you other than treat the symptoms, which in a case such as this, is exactly the wrong thing to do. Coughing, and the crud in your throat and chest, is your body's way of expelling the dust. Of course, you should take that information with a grain of salt. There is always the chance of complications, pnumonia, etc. You could be sick from something else also. The one thing you don't want to do is treat the cough on your own. Don't take any cough medicine, or expectorants, without speaking to a doctor first, that will only make it last longer, and get worse.

While I wouldn't say breathing a small amount of FG dust is a big problem, some are allergic to it and can have a very bad reaction if they breath even the smallest amount. It can even go as far as complete respiratory arrest. The allergic reaction can cause the lungs to fill with fluid, then you die. That's why it's important to monitor your own condition. If the cough continues for more than a few hours, see a doctor. Don't go running into the emergency room unless you feel it is an emergency. If you feel week, notice you have blue lips or finger nails, or your cough gets very bad, see a doctor immediately. If enough fluid, or mucous builds up, it will block the lungs from absorbing oxygen which is exactly how pnumonia kills.

Be sure to tell your doctor what you were doing, and that you aspirated fiberglass dust. He will likely do nothing but he will need to listen to your lungs to be sure there is no congestion in the lungs themselves. Most often, coughs and irritation don't extend beyond the bronchial tubes. If he does hear congestion in your lungs, you will get a chest x-ray. If it doesn't come back clean, things get more complicated.

[b]Murphy's Constant:[/b] Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
TroyE

Senior Heliman

Orlando, FL.

if you put mustard on it its not that bad.
it will KILL you anyway. you will prob never hack all of it up.
the chem WILL kill you the glass WIll iritate the hell out of your mucus membrains and you may develop tumors and rpob cancer. GET A MASK and ventalate your workarea let your neighbor breath it.OH if you have kids keep them well away they dont need to grow up with gods know what ailment. be safe.

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lort..

Senior Heliman

south africa

Life in general has only one side effect.
DEATH

enjoy yourself
look at Howard Hughes, he spent the last years of his life trying to prevent germs & bacteria killing him. He still died like everyone else.

If only the the good die young, I should live to about 300 years old

Yeah, I am going to live to be 300. Or die in the attempt

Lort..

05-28-2004 Over year old.
giheli

Key Veteran

Dugway/Tooele UT, USA

Any inert particulate has the potential to bring about silicosis asbestosis or whatever you would like to call it. The risk becomes greater with persistent exposure. In addition to pulmonary irritation, these materials provide a nucleating site for cell mutation ultimately leading to precancerous, cancerous tissues. As such, please limit your exposure as much as possible whenever possible.

Brian

Team MRC-Hirobo and Model Avionics Rep

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shootist

Senior Heliman

New York State, East Coast US

No one has mentioned that even if you wear a mask, the dust stays in your workshop for the next time. Outside-exhaust vacuum is best , followed by wet vac filled with water, distantly followed by lots of through ventilation. This is more important when you're working with carbon fiber.
Besides the fibers (which are bad), the immediate effect of inhalation of fiberglass-reinforced-epoxy (FRE) is the epoxy dust. Epoxy is a strong sensitizer, like bee stings and poison ivy. The more you get, the greater the chance you'll be allergic. Some people get violently allergic quickly, and can never sand or mix FRE again. (throat closes, face swells, hives, that kind of thing). I have developed a skin sensitivity, so if I start an FRE project without gloves, my skin cracks down to the tendons.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
Smedford

Heliman

I worked with these issues for 10 years in the Navy. There is a lot of potential exposure to.... well just about every bad thing out there. Anyway - the Navy knows a lot about these kind of issues. This is what I remember:
The reason asbestos is so much more dangerous than vitreous fibers is the size. Asbestos is very small. Since it is so small it remains in the air for a longer period, is harder to filter out, and is harder for the body to remove (coughing, sneezing, breathing). Asbestos tends to remain in the lungs and your body tries to encapsulate it with scar tissue, making your lungs less efficient (long term) and also causing cancer (technically mesothelioma). Unfortunately the cancer comes about 20 years after the exposure average and is very nasty.... There is a well documented connection between cancer and asbestos - there isn't this kind of connection with the other fibers we are talking about. Having said that - in large quantites they can cause the acute problems mentioned, but it's generally more of an irritant than anything.

05-28-2004 Over year old.
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